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    Re: NJPW General Discussion Thread

    So the G1 Climax is pretty much the best of the best tournament yeah but the whole reason that's the case is because it's very difficult for the champion to win it in the first place. Not sure how many reigning hebbiQ champs have done it but must be less than 5. None in the modern era I think. So yeah, the champ SHOULD win it on paper but when he doesn't then the winner is technically the rightful heir to the championship right? That's the basic premise of it.

    Out of kayfabe, you know the champion's chances of winning the G1 are slim to none as it sort of defeats the point of the tournament in a meta sense. They like to use the tournament to push someone into a top role and see the reaction - you're 'guaranteed' Dome main event status so it's interesting to see how fans react to that and the build. More often than not, they plant seeds throughout the year before that sort of gives hints as to where they're going with things.

    You can only get a title shot post G1 if a) you beat the champ during the tournament (most likely), b) somehow earn it another way or c) the champ wins the tournament and selects you for a title defence at KOPW. It's a pretty safe bet most of the time that the champion going into the G1 is headlining the Dome and the G1 winner will also make it the Dome. Everything in between is mostly filler/adding to the story unless something happens that makes them change plans. Like you said, it diminishes the tournament if champ/g1 winner loses their right to contend before getting to the Dome. It will rarely happen as said unless they really need to change plans or do something. They'll never try to de-legitimise the G1 or take away from the winner normally. I think last year was a special case with Ibushi and White and the two night Dome show (Ibushi still got his title shot as G1 Winner).

    You'll also find there are some belt switches just before the G1 if they're looking to make someone be a viable contender. People who lose belts before the G1 should be looked at as people of interest. Nakamura regularly lost his IC title before the G1 for example.
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    Re: NJPW General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shake View Post
    So the G1 Climax is pretty much the best of the best tournament yeah but the whole reason that's the case is because it's very difficult for the champion to win it in the first place. Not sure how many reigning hebbiQ champs have done it but must be less than 5. None in the modern era I think. So yeah, the champ SHOULD win it on paper but when he doesn't then the winner is technically the rightful heir to the championship right? That's the basic premise of it.

    Out of kayfabe, you know the champion's chances of winning the G1 are slim to none as it sort of defeats the point of the tournament in a meta sense. They like to use the tournament to push someone into a top role and see the reaction - you're 'guaranteed' Dome main event status so it's interesting to see how fans react to that and the build. More often than not, they plant seeds throughout the year before that sort of gives hints as to where they're going with things.

    You can only get a title shot post G1 if a) you beat the champ during the tournament (most likely), b) somehow earn it another way or c) the champ wins the tournament and selects you for a title defence at KOPW. It's a pretty safe bet most of the time that the champion going into the G1 is headlining the Dome and the G1 winner will also make it the Dome. Everything in between is mostly filler/adding to the story unless something happens that makes them change plans. Like you said, it diminishes the tournament if champ/g1 winner loses their right to contend before getting to the Dome. It will rarely happen as said unless they really need to change plans or do something. They'll never try to de-legitimise the G1 or take away from the winner normally. I think last year was a special case with Ibushi and White and the two night Dome show (Ibushi still got his title shot as G1 Winner).

    You'll also find there are some belt switches just before the G1 if they're looking to make someone be a viable contender. People who lose belts before the G1 should be looked at as people of interest. Nakamura regularly lost his IC title before the G1 for example.
    Thanks for the response. The winner sorta being the "uncrowned champ" analogy makes a lot of sense.

    I actually don't mind the Ibushi/White thing after watching it develop. White constantly having Ibushi's number gave Kota a great mountain to climb. Helps they're two of the more likeable/hateable characters over period of watching.

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    Re: NJPW General Discussion Thread

    G1's not much different than the CC which came first, except they added on the stip of the winner getting the title shot at the Dome which didn't happen until the the BR era really kicked off and was undoubtedly a good decision to build interest in the winner. That said I thought the briefcase immediately was amateur hour in being a ripoff of the MITB concept. I think the White/Ibushi move on paper was solid thinking in that beating Jay would get Ibushi moreover. For a lot of reasons, it didn't happen that way and got Ibushi's reign off on the wrong foot. Ibushi was totally right in that interview he did, capping things off by beating Naito would have meant a ton more than beating Jay even if the fans were more split. If it led to them getting rid of the briefcase forever, I'd still consider it a net positive however. In general I hope they retain the scheduling as having G1 later in the year allows you to seal in the WK main event right away without the need to pad it out with meaningless title matches and the briefcase and all this crap.

    I think they're telling a pretty clean cut story with Okada at least this year. I'll never be a big fan of his at all but from a storytelling perspective they're set up for his win to be a truly big deal and one even I can pretty much approve of. Putting Shingo over him when he did was one of Gedo's best booking decisions IMO as it allows for a natural arc for Okada for once, elevated Shingo, stretched out the eventual Okada title win to the Dome and gave a bit of freshness to a dreadfully stale company in a horribly down period where it seems like the company is falling apart at the seams. I bet there's going to be heavy motivation for these guys to put on a great tournament too. This Dome show is built like a sack of shit but I think the G1 could be one of the best in years.

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    Re: NJPW General Discussion Thread

    NJPW US show "Resurgence" on Aug 14 has two title matches on it that may be worth keeping an eye on.

    Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Lance Archer for the IWGP US title. Jay White vs David Finlay for the NEVER Openweight title.

    Tanahashi win could open the door to AEW stuff and White vs Finlay has some history to it.


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    Re: NJPW General Discussion Thread

    They have announced that the Jan 8 WK show (Yokohama) will be a special Abema produced PPV that is NJPW vs NOAH themed! Apparently there will be a week or so tape delay til it lands on NJPWWorld. Hopefully Abema wont geoblock if people wanna watch live. Proceeds go to the Japanese Red Cross.


    Looks like Okada vs Kaito, Shingo vs Nakajima and Tanahashi vs Muta will be the big matches. Okada buried NOAH hard too - essentially saying theyre B class, doesnt know anyone who wrestles there and then laughed when told Muto was there. Might get spicy.


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    So there will be at least one semi interesting WK show then. Cool.
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    Now that's facinating. New Japan have been trying to get friendly with the other promotions again for a while, to not much success, but they've finally got a look in. And with the least likeliest promotion at that. VOW's pateron has said that Dick Togo was critical in getting to that point, so perhaps that was the purpose of bringing him aboard, so at least some of the reason. I've said already that New Japan should look outside of the company to spice things up because no one is really ready to step up, yet, and be a drawing star or have a hot feud outside of the usual names who've been overran and over exposed for a while, and I think they see that too.

    And yes, it's made he third night way more interesting than New Japan trying to drag out Wrestle Kingdom over three nights.

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    Ohbari mentioned this when he first got hired like over a year ago and that's what led to AEW since Harold was stupid and didn't want to work with other companies. It's also the 50th Anniversary of NJPW, the fan restrictions are going to severely lesson in the near future and to be honest they're drawing like shit and need a jump start. It all leads to this making total sense.

    Okada's interview was awesome, legit my favorite thing he's ever done. If the crowd can cheer then him vs. Kaito will get super heat and it will be a chance for Kaito to overcome all of NOAH's stupid sins of the past year with him. Nakajima also effectively came across as a star in his interview which was important and a worthy champion.

    I have to say I wouldn't be surprised if Muto is pegged for the top match though over Kaito on both sides, since quite frankly him doing something with NJPW means significantly, significantly more than him doing stuff with NOAH. Generally these kinds of shows are all tags but this is a pretty extraordinary circumstance and on top of it the gap between the two companies is significantly smaller than it was even 2 years ago. NJPW doing this isn't out of the goodness of their hearts, they're slumping bad and know they needed something like this. They're going to have to play ball so I could easily see there being more singles matches than usual with IWGP Champion Okada standing tall to give NJPW the ultimate win.

    I bet there's more to come for NJPW out too. AJPW is also in their 50th year and I long predicted them working together. At the end if the day NOAH is just more popular at the moment so it's understandable they would be the main course so to speak. I don't know if it'll be more than a one off with NOAH and NOAH move on after however to make room for AJPW.

    Tickets to this sold out nearly immediately. One of NJPW's fastest sellouts in years even with the pandemic restrictions.

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    Re: NJPW General Discussion Thread

    The rosters of both promotions are pretty bland and there's no match there that is exciting on paper, but hopefully the inter-promotional aspect will spur them to bring a bit more life to the matches than usual.


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    Japan looks like it's closing the borders once again. Ospreay is looking likely to be out of WK although BUSHIROAD could pull some of their "magic" if push comes to shove. Will be interesting to see what the plan B is for night 2. Should probably just cancel it and skip right to the show anyone actually gives a damn about.

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    That’s a disappointment, but more from the perspective of clap crowd atmospheres continuing rather than No Ospreay at the Dome.
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    Katsuyori Shibata will return to the ring on January 4th, so something interesting is happening on that show. Great news.
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    Haven’t kept up with NJPW since AEW became a thing, but the thought of seeing Shibata in an actual match again is enough to pique my interest in Wrestle Kingdom. Fantastic news.


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    NJPW/NOAH show card was predictably lame. Sho Vs Kotoge is the only singles match.