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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Jericho taking advantage of someone who is young and out of depth for what he would consider an easy challenge sounds plausible.
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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Rankings didn't matter when Scorpio Sky got a shot.

    And they don't sell it like it matters when they keep asking who Jericho's next defense is against. Isn't it against the guy at the top?

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Also, didn't Jericho and Guevvara compete for tag gold a few weeks ago?

    We're they ranked?

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayer View Post
    Also, didn't Jericho and Guevvara compete for tag gold a few weeks ago?

    We're they ranked?
    They weren't but Jericho and Guevara pointed out that they were 2-0 in tag competition... which is how they finagled their way into the title shot.
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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    You can't finagle your way when you say rankings ARE the way. That's what WWE does, that THEY criticize.

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's what happened lol. In defense of AEW, did they ever state that ONLY the top ranked person or team is allowed a title shot? Or is it just more of a general guideline as to who the top contenders are? Maybe that's an issue in itself but yeah... I don't remember seeing anywhere that they said "you must be the top ranked men's wrestler to get a title shot" or anything like that. And maybe Jericho and Guevara getting a title shot was shady, I think that's fair to say. But Scorpio Sky pinned Chris Jericho so rankings be damned, I think him getting a title match was completely justified based off that. And another thing to consider... both these matches came about when the champions agreed to put their titles on the line. They weren't made title matches by management. Jericho made the call to have his match with Sky be for the title after they did the whole reverse psychology bit. Overall I just think it's not as big of an issue as some seem to be making it out to be.
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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by MC 16 View Post
    Jericho taking advantage of someone who is young and out of depth for what he would consider an easy challenge sounds plausible.
    This.

    People are missing the point. Jericho is picking his opponent. Why wouldn't a heel champion pick someone he's a massive favourite against? Title match or not. It's good booking and people are rightly getting worked about it. It IS supposed to be about rankings but Jericho is skirting the rules and being a douchebag about it. It's like MMA fighters ducking certain opponents.


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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    From my POV, if half the title matches you're booking don't go hand in hand with who is top of the rankings, then what's the point. It's more trouble than it's worth and I'm already starting to feel like it's hurting wrestlers to be reminded how much they keep losing matches.

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    This.

    People are missing the point. Jericho is picking his opponent. Why wouldn't a heel champion pick someone he's a massive favourite against? Title match or not. It's good booking and people are rightly getting worked about it. It IS supposed to be about rankings but Jericho is skirting the rules and being a douchebag about it. It's like MMA fighters ducking certain opponents.
    That's all fine, but when you come out and promote your company in the rankings with publicly saying "We're different because wins and losses matter here" and then your very first champion disregards all of it, it comes across as if they are being hypocritical.

    Set the tone first, then let someone disrupt. All they are saying right now is that no one in AEW cares to force the standard to be upheld. The standard they touted with pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    This.

    People are missing the point. Jericho is picking his opponent. Why wouldn't a heel champion pick someone he's a massive favourite against? Title match or not. It's good booking and people are rightly getting worked about it. It IS supposed to be about rankings but Jericho is skirting the rules and being a douchebag about it. It's like MMA fighters ducking certain opponents.
    I think that logic works well in theory and would work out in execution if he were to defend the title against The Jungle Boy, but one of the men Jericho defended the title against was one half (one third?) of the AEW Tag Team Champions. Even if Jericho was the obvious favorite, to act as if Jericho purposely picked an easy opponent in the form of Scorpio Sky is quite the blow to the credibility of the tag team division.

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayer View Post
    That's all fine, but when you come out and promote your company in the rankings with publicly saying "We're different because wins and losses matter here" and then your very first champion disregards all of it, it comes across as if they are being hypocritical.

    Set the tone first, then let someone disrupt. All they are saying right now is that no one in AEW cares to force the standard to be upheld. The standard they touted with pride.

    Then I think your problem is that you are looking at it from a meta booking aspect rather than kayfabe. Fair enough to do so but the answers lie within how it's handled in kayfabe tbh. Clearly, wins and losses did matter because Jericho was pinned by Sky and thus had to defend against him. Rankings become moot at that point if the champion has no clear challenge and suffers a defeat.

    I don't see how it is hypocritical at all. Who is to say there isn't going to be something happening in kayfabe to rectify the situation? It's people being impatient and jumping to conclusions before giving anything time. People want to complain far too quickly imo.

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    I think that logic works well in theory and would work out in execution if he were to defend the title against The Jungle Boy, but one of the men Jericho defended the title against was one half (one third?) of the AEW Tag Team Champions. Even if Jericho was the obvious favorite, to act as if Jericho purposely picked an easy opponent in the form of Scorpio Sky is quite the blow to the credibility of the tag team division.
    Sky pinned Jericho so rankings are moot in that matchup (and this is why I think rankings are pointless and a bad idea.) if you beat the champ in a non title situation, you should jump to the front of the queue no questions asked. Jericho didn't pick Sky by choice, it was a necessity. Different situations.

    Can't be a blow to the tag division if one of their guys hands the champ his first loss, really.


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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    I think there are many flaws with their booking but this situation specifically isn't one of them. I think Britt Baker not getting a title shot earlier than she did over Emi Sakura despite a vastly better record is a better example of not properly following their W/L record.

    Wasn't there a rumor that the wins and loss record will be swiped clean after the new year? What do people think about that? Is that a good thing or does that make everything feel like a waste of time?
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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Forgot to add - it isn't even a world title match so what's the big deal? Clearly Jericho's just being a dickhead who wants an easy match. Rankings don't need to mean shit if a belt's not involved. And if Jungle Boy wins then he 100 percent deserves the title shot regardless of W/L.


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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    All this because I read a report that incorrectly said it was a title match haha

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    They should just quietly get rid of the rankings. Don’t make a big deal out of it, let’s just move on because it’d be a move for the better. Rankings stifled the creativity and limited the booking of ROH and EVOLVE, it was obviously going to be more apparent and awkward for a more angle-driven promotion like AEW.

    Tbf, I watched the segment and thought Jungle Boy was getting a title match. I think it’s safe to assume when a champion is challenged that it’s for a title shot unless they specifically say it’s non-title, which I could be wrong but I don’t think they said that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postman Dave View Post
    All this because I read a report that incorrectly said it was a title match haha

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Lol for the longest time people have complained about the simplicity of WWE's booking, but by the looks of it, some of you guys and a lot of people in general need everything to be 1+1=2 or else you have difficulty comprehending and putting it together.

    Are there flaws? Of course, they're far from perfect. However, some of the complaints are just absurd.

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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    WWE's booking is anything but simple.

    Honestly, if AEW didn't try and take a dig at WWE with their "Wins and Losses will matter" comment, which people then expect them to honour, I don't think this would be a big of a discussion as it has.
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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by MC 16 View Post
    WWE's booking is anything but simple.

    Honestly, if AEW didn't try and take a dig at WWE with their "Wins and Losses will matter" comment, which people then expect them to honour, I don't think this would be a big of a discussion as it has.
    How have they not mattered though? Scorpio got his shot by beating Jericho. Jericho and Guevara were 2-0 when they challenged for the belts. So this far the only questionable call was Sakura getting a shot at Riho. Even she pinned Riho a week before facing her for the title but AEW did fuck up and book that match before she had pinned Riho.
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    Re: AEW Dynamite On TNT - 04/12/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by MC 16 View Post
    WWE's booking is anything but simple.

    Honestly, if AEW didn't try and take a dig at WWE with their "Wins and Losses will matter" comment, which people then expect them to honour, I don't think this would be a big of a discussion as it has.
    Their entire program is literally dumbed down, the vast majority of complaints revolve around not only how shitty the booking is but the fact that they dumb down their entire presentation and treat their viewers like elementary school kids.

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