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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    The question this conversation begs is why should we settle for one or the other at the top of a card? Why settle for a bang average wrestler or a mediocre talker when there is plenty of guys that are great at both? Surely at the top of your card you should want the best overall performers you have.

    Charisma will always be the most important facet for being a wrestler. But especially in a world where the standard of the average wrestler is pretty high, mediocre guys stand out like a sore thumb and audiences see that.

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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    This isn't the Attitude Era, it's 2020 and the majority of wrestling fans that are left are the hardcore sort that want to see good matches from their main eventers. Look at who has caught fire in the last decade and been over with fans - Daniel Bryan, AJ Styles, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Kenny Omega, Cody Rhodes, Young Bucks, Matt Riddle, Jon Moxley, Johnny Gargano, Will Ospreay. Cody and Becky aren't really work rate wrestlers, but they are capable of having great matches that grab the attention of fans in those big spots. EC3 has had 1 great match his entire career, he's more in the tier of Miz, Bray Wyatt, Baron Corbin, Mike Bennett (ROH/Impact era) category of wrestlers that might be able to talk but aren't good enough to push as modern main eventers. Who is the big star of this last decade who was bang average in the ring?

    This isn't me starting a debate of BUT THAT'S WHY RATINGS ARE DOWN CAUSE THERE'S NO CHARISMATIC STARS ANYMORE, this is me just being realistic on the tastes of modern wrestling fans and how companies cater to that.

    And not to piss on the bonfire here, but EC3 was in Impact for his peak years, got significant airtime and pushes there, and just felt like a kinda big fish in a small pond. I don't think I've ever seen some kind of transcendent superstar vibes from him in his career and I'm sticking with my belief WWE haven't missed the boat on a money making star here.
    All those people you listed got over on character work, Becky Lynch getting getting her nose broken helped lead her to super stardom. It was her badass gimmick that got her over. Even Daniel Bryan had to develop his promo skills, character work, etc to become a Star. AJ Styles shone brightest as a 'Star' when he was delivering the best promos and character work of his career. Sasha may be potentially the best non Japanese female ring worker ever, but she's also one of the most charismatic people in the business who talks, walks and looks like a Star. Ambrose is more akin to that second group of guys you deem garbage, as his ring work is pretty average but his strengths are his mic work, charisma and personality. Miz could easily be a Main Event guy in this Era, he's proven numerous times before the Shane burial that he can have a great match, he just never gets any match time anymore because the WWE dont push people who genuinely excel at those talents that make Stars anymore.

    The ring work matters of course, but how many guys even today are relative Stars in America based off of pure ringwork? How many guys today are actual Stars? Theres a lot of people who appeal to the fanbase thats left but they're not really Stars.




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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    People aren't getting my point. I didn't say the stars of today aren't good at character work and promos and that their popularity ONLY comes from their in-ring work. I'm saying those wrestlers that succeed in those top roles in companies have to be good in the ring and be able deliver main event level matches to meet the standard we've become accustom to. The people that can't wrestle to a good enough standard aren't really worth the effort of a company giving them a big push that's ultimately going to fail. Like Shock said, the desirable thing is for a top guy to be good at everything.

    WWE spent a year building up 'The Fiend' with weekly promos and a character that some section of fans liked, but the guy was horrible in the ring and didn't work out as a top act/world title guy because all you're building up to are bad matches. Same thing with Jinder Mahal, they tried to push him as a main guy and gave him the world title and lots of promos, but ultimately he's a below average wrestler, his PPV matches stunk and they had to make the call to get the title off him. NJPW are currently embarking on a similar booking experiment that is likely to fail by pushing EVIL as their top heel; even if they tell the greatest story ever told in wrestling history, you're still stuck with someone that's having bad matches, it'll turn fans away and they'll be forced to change direction in a few months time.

    EC3 is off the same ilk but with better, more realistic promos . Very good character guy and can cut a good promo, but he's not someone you can use at the top of the card in a major promotion. He's 37, we've seen the peak of his career pretty much, he's not gonna get much better in the ring now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Peanutbutter View Post
    I don't buy that the majority of wrestling fans left are hardcore types. I do think that at least half, if not more, of WWE's viewers are at least wise to the backstage stuff, but that's more to do with social media and the rise of "dirtsheets". But, if as much of the fanbase was hardcore and not just casual, then Smackdown and Raw wouldn't still be doing several times the viewership of NXT and/or AEW, who hands down offer a better wrestling product on a week to week basis.
    Actually you might be right, the ratings decline in the last year would suggest WWE are running off the hardcore fans in droves now. All that's left are probably the WWE loyalist fans that put up with anything, regardless of in-ring ability and storytelling.

    AEW's viewership is much more likely to be where the hardcore fanbase can be seen now.

    Bringing all this back around to EC3, there is no way you can claim he couldn't cut it in the ring in WWE when so many equally average, and some worse wrestlers are featured prominently, and some are quite well liked. It's kinda tough to compare his entertainment skills to most of WWE because I do think that so many acts in WWE are hindered by being fed lazy scripts but I'm pretty sure I'm taking EC3's skills over at least 3/4 of the company. I don't think EC3 would be some saving grace for WWE, or become the next John Cena, because I'm not a lunatic, but you can't tell me that WWE didn't miss the boat on him when he is clearly a very talented guy with star potential, and he only got to wrestle less than a handful of times on Raw, not counting 24/7 Title matches.
    Ok, but this is changing the goalposts/lowering expectations now, because we've gone from saying EC3 could be a star to EC3 could be substituted into the same spots other average wrestlers get sometimes in WWE. I mean sure he has a pulse and can recite a script, of course he could have been in the position Dolph Ziggler's been in this last month against Drew McIntyre and done just as well, but so could 100 other people signed to a deal in WWE. I'm saying EC3 isn't a missed the boat star like Dean Ambrose was, or Kairi Sane was.

    EC3 debuted on the NXT roster just before NOLA (the peak of NXT) and was on a work rate heavy roster and he didn't catch fire as a character worker or an in-ring worker. Once you get passed the ladder match (where he wasn't a standout in the match), there's very little impressive about that year in NXT. EC3 is back down to his level which is big fish in a small pond, and I'm sure he'll do well there but the expectations are much lower in Impact.

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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    I suppose that depends on what you consider a star. I do see EC3 in a similar light to Ziggler, or Miz. To me, both those guys have been and could still be stars if they were allowed by WWE to be stars and not booked into such terrible spots/treated like total geeks as ETE would say. EC3 could 100% be in PPV main events, working against good workers like the ones who have been mentioned already. Frankly I think he is at least as good as Kofi Kingston as a singles wrestler, but that may just be me.
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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    If the bar for being a main event level talent is that they can do the job as well as Miz, Kofi or Ziggler, then that doesn't convince me that they are anything special. To me that suggests that there is a low bar for what can count as a main event talent.

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    There unquestionably is a low bar for main event talent in WWE in this era, but let's not act like all three of those guys haven't managed to get white hot at points in time. They aren't exactly making a lot of Stone Cold/Rock level guys these days, you gotta ride the hot hand when you got it.
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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    As the top guy, you should 100% be a good wrestler these days.

    EC3 could do just as good of a job as The Miz and others in that roll. That includes main event feuds and even a World Title run if its in the cards.

    He is good on the mic and charismatic, but to excel as a World Champion with primarily those qualities you gotta be The Rock, Steve Austin, etc. He hasn't proven that he is that.

    In my opinion, the best bet these days is to present your top guy as a badass and a great wrestler. If you can find a guy that the hardcores like and build around him then you can definitely get up to par with AEW. To transcend that you need someone who can be entertaining to a broader audience then those who are viewing in the parameters of pro wrestling context. Like Austin. Like The Rock. Like Hogan.

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    Anyways, what did everyone think of this weeks Impact?

    I thought it was was better than last week. Even Wrestle House. Still not as high standard a show as they need to continue momentum.

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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    I'm saying those wrestlers that succeed in those top roles in companies have to be good in the ring and be able deliver main event level matches to meet the standard we've become accustom to. The people that can't wrestle to a good enough standard aren't really worth the effort of a company giving them a big push that's ultimately going to fail. Like Shock said, the desirable thing is for a top guy to be good at everything.
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    I'm saying EC3 isn't a missed the boat star like Dean Ambrose was, or Kairi Sane was.
    Doesn't Ambrose just barely wrestle to a good enough standard? I feel like his great matches are all because of the exceptional worker on the other side of it. Otherwise he really needs a stipulation of some sort to stand out. I'd say Ambrose/Mox literally got over on their natural charisma and because he can talk. Mox isn't the type who can carry a subpar opponent to a great match, I find him to be extremely meh and underwhelming in the ring and its kinda showed during this world title run.

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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Do you find him to be ineffective as a champion because of his in ring skills?
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    Unrelated (though perhaps more on topic) but this gif is money.

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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Love it.

    Anyone have thoughts on this weeks Impact?

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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by RobyD View Post
    Do you find him to be ineffective as a champion because of his in ring skills?
    Hard to say because of the pandemic tbh

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    I enjoy the story of Johnny E. Bravo and Rosemary one of my fav things on impact besides ec3 heath and ey with Sami


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobyD View Post
    Love it.

    Anyone have thoughts on this weeks Impact?
    Already said I don't like the route they are going with Heath at the moment they are just re-hashing what he did in WWE, they need to get away from that.

    Also The North complaining about wrestling two title matches in three days haha, come on...even as heels they should have something better than that, especially given how long they held the titles.
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    I thought the Wrestle House stuff was fun, Kylie Rae and Johnny Swinger being the highlights.

    I also dug Heath and Moose even if I’m not biggest fan of Moose personally, and the MCMG/North stuff was fun too. I’m looking forward to the rematch between MCMG and The North.
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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Got some decent stuff laid out the next two nights. Should at least be some good progression.

    Ya know I think Karl Anderson is the guy to go with at BFG. Give Ace time to grow. If he’s hotshot to the top then he’sa second rate AJ but if he proves it it’s all him.

    I’d rather see Ace vs Bey or Ace & Fulton vs Swann & Mack

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    Think I might be like a week behind.. However, I watched iMPACT and while the Swann segment was okay, it was too obvious it wasn't true for me and it was pushed hard as a segment. To me, this would have been great and on the Mark Henry level of "I'm retiring" had he not returned and competed at Slammiversary and this was the first time we was seeing him with a big announcement to make.

    That said, I liked the EY attack at the end and I'm looking forward to that first encounter, should be really good.


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    Things have been setup nicely for the two night special so far but I don't think we'll see any title changes going down to be honest.

    Also thought Myers had a decent outing with Edwards in the main event.
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    Re: Impact Wrestling on AXS TV Discussion

    Been a while folks. Impact has cooled off just a bit since Redemption due to a couple of stagnant episodes. Week one of Emergence was good though but nothing really major to talk about after. I'm hoping night 2 is also good but maybe with some big news coming out. I'll be posting my full thoughts later.

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    -Eddie vs. RVD was a good match. Adds some legitimacy to the Edwards reign. I'm thinking that we might get EY winning the belt next week that way he can drop it as a heel to Rich Swann.

    -This wrestle house stuff has officially wore its welcome with me. Maybe that's why as I'm watching on Twitch, a month ago they had nearly 6K viewers but now they are down to almost 2K. Guys like the Deaners and Heath Miller could be filling this space with better comedy stuff. I also feel like its a huge miscast of Crazy Steve and his character would be a lot more marketable as a serious variation. Maybe I'm wrong about all this.

    -Great EY package.
    -Speaking of Heather Miller we get a cool Rhino promo asking for fan support for him and Miller vs Reno Scum next week.
    -Oh shit. Eddie calling out EY. Leads to a brawl.
    -Nice little Rojit promo.
    -Locker Room Talk was what it was.
    -Sami Callihan promo. Implies we are getting him vs. RVD next week. So far that plus the World Title match next week could be a good show.

    -I thought this EC3 promo was really good. I was hoping he would just throw it at the wall and we would finally move forward in this arch but he basically says hes gotta beat Moose to destroy the belt.

    -Willie Mack vs. Bryan Meyers. Finally the second real match in close to an hour. Man Willie Mack is a fucking star. Brian Meyers wins and I'm okay with this because the match was good and I guess Meyers needs a win if you're gonna give him a chance.

    -Sounds like we might finally see the last episode of Wrestle House next week when Rosemary and Taya wrestle. That would increase my enjoyment by a lot.

    -#HeathForImpact

    -I thought this Grace vs. Purazzo match was great and it left it open for Grace being that she at least tied the Champion if it were a fair fight. This should leave room for Kylie Rae to challenge next.

    Overall I thought this show was good, not great. I hope next weeks show delivers with some bigger angles.

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