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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    30 years later, its a problem. Makes sense.

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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Haven't made a great deal of progress. Into November 2022. Almost no fixtures and it took me a bit to realize that is because of the 2022 World Cup.

    We are still near the top of the table and qualified from a fairly tough group in the Champions League. I don't expect us to hold out and we will probably fall behind City and Liverpool again later in the season. They are just so fucking loaded with talent.

    Sergio Gomez, the Greek newgen and Kenneh are all developing into monsters. Kana too. they form a nice core of the squad, but I imagine big clubs will be coming in for them soon.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Finished out 2022. Took longer than it should have as I decided to watch a bunch of the World cup matches. Not in full, but on Extended Highlights. Rather enjoyed it. Cameroon took out Brazi in SF and England beat Germany on pens in the other. England downed Cameroon 2-1 in the Final. My monster box-to-box Noah Kenneh started a few matches, including the final.

    I have some big clubs sniffing around Jonathan David, the Canadian winger/striker who is doing quite well. Apparently the deal would be worth 105m. I would take that in a heartbeat, even thought its hella fun having a Canadian who is closing in on world class status. His pace makes him effective but he's not a great all-around striker. That's the one thing my side still needs - a top-level goal-scorer. David isn't and Berenton isn't. have a couple of kids I have hope for but no one is a certainty.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Anyone know of any good timeline mods? Like in TEW you can get a 2009 mod or something, is there any for FM? I know there's a 2006-07 one which is cool, but is there any more?

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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddes View Post
    Anyone know of any good timeline mods? Like in TEW you can get a 2009 mod or something, is there any for FM? I know there's a 2006-07 one which is cool, but is there any more?
    There are always some kicking about, but they vary heavily in quality. I would start on the GDS site to see if there any, then check some popular fan sites like FM Scout and sortitoutsi.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    So did a Sunderland game, 1st season got them out of League One and won the Checkatrade too.

    2nd season nothing dramatic, was down to avoid relegation and finished comfortably mid table.

    3rd season, didn't have a massive transfer budget, asked the board to sign someone who was only slightly over my budget, they refused so i resigned and then when i checked, they actually signed the guy anyway. Got the Reading job but somehow managed to delete the save so will be starting all over again with someone different.


    I do enjoy the released lists at the end of the season, picked up some decent players like Danny Simpson and Luke Garbutt for nothing.



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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Gotta love when boards are dick, Mikk.

    And dead-right on those released lists. Honestly, if you are a lower-Prem or Championship club and have some patience, you can absolutely build a squad just poaching from the big clubs in England. They start out with so many good young players, and so many will get no time, and then get pushed out by wonderkids that the club sign, and its a never-ending cycle. Of course, its probably more fun to sign and develop your own wonderkids. But its a real source of talent you can tap. And get them for free on cut-rate transfer listings.

    In my Blackburn save, I got Sergio Gomez and Joao Pedro for free. Gomez was out of contract at Dortmund (but I've seen him TL'd for like 3.5 to 5m. in other saves) and Pedro was still under contract but Watford were accepting bid of 0 for him. Weird.

    Finished out the fourth season with a title win and kinda done with the save. More just dont with managing in the Prem. I just don't enjoy it as much as other leagues. We won the title but barely topped the table. I didn't realize how tight it was until the last couple of matches - we were constantly 2nd or 3rd but always had a match or three in hand. Have same amazing wonderkids but can't say I have a burning need to see them develop.

    Think its back to Brazil. Its weird how what I want in a save swings. The first time I did a Mineiro save on FM20, I only did the first season because we found success quickly and I was eyeballing great wonderkids and newgens from elsewhere that I couldn't land in Brazil. I could get them in Blackburn, and I did. But now I want something more restricted again.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Did a couple of months with Mineiro but I don't love the starting squad makeup, so I didn't finish it out. Kinda wanted to stay in South American and stay in Brazil, so I tried Athletic Paranaese again, but that didn't get too far. So now I'm trying out Argentinos Juniors in Argentina. Still haven't had a decent save in Argentina so kinda hoping this one carries on for a bit.

    There are three clubs in Argentina that kinda interest me. Argentinos Juniors, Rosario Central, and Banfield. AAAJ and Banfield are both about the same level, but AAAJ have a great youth system and therefore quite a few talented youngsters. Banfield don't have a ton in that regard. Rosario Central are kinda in between but are a bigger club. I have no idea why I took an interest in them except for they have interesting colors and I've seen them get relegated in other saves.

    I started up with AAAJ. They are a Buenos Aires club, like most of the bigger clubs in Argentina. They have a legendary youth setup, having brought through Diego Maradona and a host of other internationals. The stadium is named after Maradona (not a positive lol). So they are start with some great young prospects, which makes them appealing.

    One thing I did switch up was to shut off transfers in the first transfer window. Entirely for selfish reasons. AAAJ don't get much money anyway but I often see big clubs go after one of the young attackers. So I figured I could keep him in house a bit longer lol
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    I can't stop the bounce lol

    I ended up going with Rosario Central because I figured they would be a tougher slog. Bigger club by a bit but squad seemed a step down. Fewer prospects. Less money. But they are in the Copa Libertadores.

    Decided to do something a bit different tactically, based on a Keep It Simple, Stupid thread on the SI board. Its just a basic 4-1-4-1 with a flat central midfield. I kept the roles fairly simple and added minimal Team Instructions. Basically just to press and counter, and to play wider. The idea is that I can adjust as needed match to match. Its worked very well so far. Sitting in first after 8 rounds and starting to pull away. Also in the SF of the Libertadores. But it all feels....easy.

    so of course I'm starting to think about maybe AAAJ would be a better long-term save.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    So started up a save with AAAJ last night. Surprised by how much of a difference there is in reputation between the two clubs. Rosario Central is #6 or so in Argentina and top 12 in South America. AAAJ is #16 in Argentina and #61 in South America.

    Argentinos Juniors have 4-star prospects at GK, DC, DM, and AM/W, and ST. I've seen a couple of them end up as wonderkids in other saves, getting poached by clubs like Arsenal, Tottenham, and Napoli. AAAJ aren't getting big sums of money for them, which concerns me a bit. Hoping that some success will make a difference in that regard.
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    I don't know what it is about managing in Argentina.... It just never connects for me. I got like a week into the Argentinos Juniors save... our best player came back, got two-footed in a friendly and is out for 6 months. I try to look at injuries as opportunities and all that, but somehow that just sapped the excitement entirely.

    I started up with Lokomotiv Moscow with an editor file activating down to the 5th division in Russia. Its helpful because core FM only has the top 2 divisions, and Lokomotiv have a B team that plays in the 3rd division. I went wild and did double managers - one running Lokomotiv and one running Lokomotiv Kazanka, the B team.

    Yeah, that didn't go anywhere.

    So I trolled through different leagues, looking for something. I can't even settle on what kind of save I want right now.... lower league, youth development focused, exotic league, whatever. South America always intrigues but the big clubs in Brazil are too big, Argentina doesn't seem to work for me, and the likes of Columbia and Chile are a bit too poor. Mexico is always fun but I can't find a team there that connects and intrigues. I can't say hitting Asia has a lot of appeal. So I ended up poking around Europe. All the Eastern European nations seem interesting until you really dig in and look at finances and infrastructure. And I ended up looking at the Championship again.

    It shouldn't appeal. England has the same issues every time. Getting out the championship is fun. The prem is fun until you are getting raided and trying to compete with monstrous money bag clubs. I looked at clubs in League One and League Two but the quality just a drop down and that kills my interest.

    so i landed on Brentford. Not because they could get promoted but they are a smaller club with good players and an interesting approach.

    It kinda came down to them or Blackburn but I just didn't want to do the Rovers again. I quite like them but nah.

    I was partly inspired by a YouTube video by BusttheNet on creating an FM19 tactic with similar expansive attacking football based on Man City. Not that I really want to emulate City on anything.... but the gegen-press based tactics I keep using don't really create beautiful attacking football. Its more bulldozer type stuff off the transition. But something that is open and expansive and equally effective.... I dont' think I've had a tactic in about 2 versions that felt like that. It makes FM fun, I find.

    The tactic he built on the video was a dead-standard 4-3-3. Lame. so I'm put gonna put two in the DM strata. And maybe have the wingers in the MC strata so they start deeper. Possibly use IWBs so they move inside and flank the stationary DM when the runner DM runs. I need to stop drawing shit on paper and fucking play.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Been a bit since I updated. And I'm probably to try Argentina again.



    I went with Brentford but didn't make it through the full first season. Just managing in England the potentially the Prem... something about it ends up being really unappealing. But on the upside, the 4-2-1-2-1 formation works pretty slick. Its partly inspired by Manchester City and is quite attacking. The 2 DMs use a Segundo Volante, then 1 MC, the 2 in the attacking strata are wide players, and then the solo striker. I was originally going to use IWBs but they don't work quite the same with two DMs, even if one of them is constantly bombing forward into attack.

    Wanted to do something a little bit different so I went somewhere I haven't managed for a copule of FMs - Colombia. Specifically Envigado. A small club that have this funky stadium. They have produced great players, including James Rodriguez. Their focus is almost entirely on youth development so the squad is heavily biased that way. And they have a pretty great youth academy so you get youth talent coming through.

    But.... I forgot about the fun of making somewhere like Colombia. Very little money. Losing players that are pretty decent to the bigger Colombian clubs for fuck all - though that's hardly limited to this league and these clubs. And of course, the "Colombian special" player type. Way back on FM12 or FM14 or somewhere like that, I noticed that a LOT of players from Colombia had this weird dynamic. They would be remarkable well rounded, with every skill being 11 or 13. But then.... every skill is 11. They still happen, although not quite as often. I think it tends to be with players who don't have attributes set in the database, and maybe not even potential or current ability, so the game fills everything in and to the level of the league and club.

    So I'm through into the start of 2020 on the save. We did very well in the Aperatura, running the same formation as above. Its been fun. But the save isn't really grabbing me. I power-gamed through the first bit of 2020, faster than I would normally play, just to try to get to the youth intake. If I get a superstar, it might keep this going. But a shitty youth intake will probably lead me to another save. Again.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    So made it to youth intake day with Envigado. And we scored. 4 players of 4-star or better potential. all four are potential stars for a club at this level. Best of the bunch is a 5-star 16 year old goalkeeper who I can start immediately. He's not quite as good as my current #1 but its not a far drop and that guy won't get any better. This kid is also a sweeper keeper type, which is what I've been using.

    The second best is a left-footed left winger. I prefer opposite foot wide forwards and my best existing prospect is exactly that. So I will probably move this guy back to leftback and turn him into a really nice attacking leftback.

    I'm not massively thrilled with this intake or anything but its enough to keep going a bit longer in the save. Money is going to be the biggest issue but I'm hopeful that putting together a run in the Copa Libertadores will make a difference in that regard. And I'm rather hopeful that any player sales are going to net me a bit more money. 100K for a player is fuck all, even in Colombia.
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    Still managing Envigado and into the summer of 2020. Doing well but I don't think this save has a lot of legs left. Its just frustrating as fuck that the side is doing very well and the young players are excelling, but their values barely move. I have a 17 year old defender, Ordonez, who starts as one of the clubs better prospects. 3 to 3 1/2 star prospect, so not amazing but if he fully develops to that potential, he is a very good defender for the Colombian league and pretty good for South America. He's been playing regularly and seen steady skill increases more than any other player. He is almost always just a bank of green up arrows. I figured he would draw interest at some point and just got a bid from Corinthians... 300k. Ummm no. That's not enough to get a lesser prospect from another Colombian club to replace this player so no. But its probably just the first of many such bids. At some point, the club will accept a bid and I'll have no choice. The finances at this level are just.... below what I really want to do deal with.
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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    How long did you have to play before getting to that point?

    I've not played FM for years but did a few very long saves and never saw that before.
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    For those who are interested in getting the FM 2020, but didn't yet... Epic has the game for free for a week starting today. (At least in Germany, I don't know how it is in the US or the UK)

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    Was hoping to log in a couple hrs with my friend on FM last night but couldnt. The new FM patch which enables playing with Epic Game Store friends basically screwed things up for a lot of players on Steam. In the case of my friend and I and many others, we werent able to connect to a network game. In others, they lost all of their save files & had to find roundabout ways to get it back. I'm hoping they manage to fix the connectivity issue today. It's extremely disappointing.

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    Re: Football Manager 2020

    Awesome that they are doing that, but super shitty that its messed things up. Poor planning, SI.

    And Dmac, new stadiums are heavily variable based on the club situation. The game will not allow a new stadium until its been 20 years since the last new one was built for the club, but there will be situations where its still not viable. Some cities seem to have settings that just mean you can't find "a new site". Possibility of having the new one built where the old one was - a la Spurs - but that means relocating home matches for awhile. Even when the data says the city has room, the club has money, and need (selling out pretty constantly), it still comes down to the board.
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    A very deflating loss, especially after we almost completed the comeback

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