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    Quote Originally Posted by Kairi HoHo View Post
    Well I did say I saw a Tag Match involving the four ladies, but I don't understand putting it on the Buy In considering two out of those ladies you put stock in and said they are going to be important to your Company going forward.
    It's a random tag match featuring two women making their AEW debuts announced 24 hours before the event. Sounds like a pre-show worthy match to me.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Hoho

    Whos the blond with her tongue out and what promotion is she in?
    Vayne, Fuji, Grim, Booty,Shock, Rainskaker, Nat, Hoho and Lghikas are the best!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    I am beginning to turn on HoHo for having Hana Kimura in his profile just because so many people ask about her. (In fairness to indyfan and the others, she is a bona fide hoot)

    Interesting that TJPW & STARDOM top champions are teaming together in that match.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Are AEW not trying to attract any new fans or old fans to come back and watch the product? The "buy-ins" have been terrible for the two previous shows. Waste of time having a pre-show if you're not trying to attract any new or returning fans. The whole libarian gimmick is god awful, WWE would get slammed for that. And the matches have mostly been silly. They've literally utilized none of the "names" that would stand out on the pre-show that would get people's attention. I'd hazard a guess that the only people watching the pre shows right now are the ones that was going to watch the show regardless.

    I don't know a single person that watched the "buy-in" and then thought, yeah, I'll pay to watch the rest of the show, this looks good. But, at least two of my mates watched the Double Or Nothing pre-show and stopped watching after the Battle Royal. Kind of telling and they seem to keep following the same format. Strange.


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    Maybe it's because I found the librarian gimmick oddly entertaining, but I don't get all of the hate for the booking of the pre-show. I think it's also a matter of a lot of people seeing the pre-show as something it used to be, not what it currently is. When was the pre-show really designed to get people to buy a PPV? That whole concept of the purpose of a pre-show hasn't existed in the WWE for years. The WWE are well aware that if you're watching the pre-show, it's very likely that you're already watching it on the WWE Network. They're not trying to sell a PPV or even a Network subscription. The WWE pre-shows are nothing more than mindless filler to add more content to the WWE Network. Bring on a few talking heads and they can spend an hour or two talking random shit about a show they already know you're going to watch. With the main show getting extended and at times the pre-show getting extended, it's a matter of throwing together as many matches as possible to extend the watch time on a Sunday every few weeks.

    AEW's pre-show means just as little as every one else's pre-show. Everyone is so conditioned to follow this same format for decades that they do it despite the fact that pre-shows are a dated relic and only remain because companies think it's expected that they need to have a pre-show. The only important pre-show before a wrestling PPV for years has been All In's pre-show and that's because it was a chance for The Elite to try and score a decent TV rating so that when they when they formed a proper company, they could use that rating to show other potentially interested TV networks what they could deliver one their first try out on regular TV.

    Currently, AEW is in an awkward period where their company is now up and running, so they're trying to create angles and build interest, but the format of the company being a traditional weekly TV product hasn't started yet. Right now they're trying to use as much talent as they can, as often as they can, to figure out what works and what doesn't, while trying to introduce all of their talent to the fans. The women in particular seem to be hurting by this since it's causing them to be in a never ending series of multiple women matches instead of relying more on singles matches, which is also causing them to overthink things due to multiple goals clashing against each other (EG. Trying to get Nyla Rose over as the monster of the women's division, but never having her win because they also need Britt Baker and Riho to get wins to establish them as stars). The good news is that we're coming closer and closer to the start of the weekly show in October, which will hopefully fix these problems to give everyone time rather than try to force so much in three hour PPVs.

    Ultimately, it's just a pre-show. If you're watching the pre-show, you've already made up your mind about whether or not you're choosing to pay for the PPV. Apparently, I'm in the vast majority for someone who found odd enjoyment in the librarian gimmick, but since Bates and Avalon are signed to AEW, this is a chance for Cody and company to figure out a way to turn the gimmick around. Making a disliked character work is possible. After all, this year's Wrestlemania was highlighted by a member of a trio winning the WWE World Title, with everyone wanting it to happen, when at that very same show five years earlier, the fans revolted against that trio's gimmick. If AEW has an idea or are passionate about this act, then fuck it, don't give up on it after one match. Obviously, don't force it to continue forever while the fans remain against it, but try to figure out a way to save the act so that if you do later give up on the act, you can't say it failed out of lack of trying. In the end, it's a lowcard gimmick, it sucking means about as much as a WWE lowcarder having a shitty gimmick.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Yeah Jim, honestly I think the hate is super exaggerated. Maybe it's because growing up as a kid, I'm nostalgic to Matt Striker's teacher gimmick being one of my favourite parts of Raw. It's not like the Librarians are the centrepiece of their product. For me, I thought Leva Bates had a great promo at Fyter Fest before her match. However, it's when her and Allie actually started wrestling where I first began to really sour on her. I've never seen Avalon wrestler, so I'm looking forward to giving the gimmick/duo another shot tonight.


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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Maybe it's because I found the librarian gimmick oddly entertaining, but I don't get all of the hate for the booking of the pre-show. I think it's also a matter of a lot of people seeing the pre-show as something it used to be, not what it currently is. When was the pre-show really designed to get people to buy a PPV? That whole concept of the purpose of a pre-show hasn't existed in the WWE for years. The WWE are well aware that if you're watching the pre-show, it's very likely that you're already watching it on the WWE Network. They're not trying to sell a PPV or even a Network subscription. The WWE pre-shows are nothing more than mindless filler to add more content to the WWE Network. Bring on a few talking heads and they can spend an hour or two talking random shit about a show they already know you're going to watch. With the main show getting extended and at times the pre-show getting extended, it's a matter of throwing together as many matches as possible to extend the watch time on a Sunday every few weeks.

    AEW's pre-show means just as little as every one else's pre-show. Everyone is so conditioned to follow this same format for decades that they do it despite the fact that pre-shows are a dated relic and only remain because companies think it's expected that they need to have a pre-show. The only important pre-show before a wrestling PPV for years has been All In's pre-show and that's because it was a chance for The Elite to try and score a decent TV rating so that when they when they formed a proper company, they could use that rating to show other potentially interested TV networks what they could deliver one their first try out on regular TV.

    Currently, AEW is in an awkward period where their company is now up and running, so they're trying to create angles and build interest, but the format of the company being a traditional weekly TV product hasn't started yet. Right now they're trying to use as much talent as they can, as often as they can, to figure out what works and what doesn't, while trying to introduce all of their talent to the fans. The women in particular seem to be hurting by this since it's causing them to be in a never ending series of multiple women matches instead of relying more on singles matches, which is also causing them to overthink things due to multiple goals clashing against each other (EG. Trying to get Nyla Rose over as the monster of the women's division, but never having her win because they also need Britt Baker and Riho to get wins to establish them as stars). The good news is that we're coming closer and closer to the start of the weekly show in October, which will hopefully fix these problems to give everyone time rather than try to force so much in three hour PPVs.

    Ultimately, it's just a pre-show. If you're watching the pre-show, you've already made up your mind about whether or not you're choosing to pay for the PPV. Apparently, I'm in the vast majority for someone who found odd enjoyment in the librarian gimmick, but since Bates and Avalon are signed to AEW, this is a chance for Cody and company to figure out a way to turn the gimmick around. Making a disliked character work is possible. After all, this year's Wrestlemania was highlighted by a member of a trio winning the WWE World Title, with everyone wanting it to happen, when at that very same show five years earlier, the fans revolted against that trio's gimmick. If AEW has an idea or are passionate about this act, then fuck it, don't give up on it after one match. Obviously, don't force it to continue forever while the fans remain against it, but try to figure out a way to save the act so that if you do later give up on the act, you can't say it failed out of lack of trying. In the end, it's a lowcard gimmick, it sucking means about as much as a WWE lowcarder having a shitty gimmick.
    Double or Nothing's preshow was important because they got onto ITV4 which was a big chance for them to pull in some UK viewers.

    What other companies follow WWE's preshow concept? ROH and Impact don't from my recollection. Feels like revolutionary AEW are the only ones copying WWE's format atm.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    In what sense do you mean ROH and Impact don't copy? You mean as in they don't televise the pre-show? To me, a pre-show and a dark match is essentially the same thing, just a pre-show has the benefits of a live broadcast added to it, and gives an opportunity for performers to get over with not only the crowd, but with people at home too.


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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    Double or Nothing's preshow was important because they got onto ITV4 which was a big chance for them to pull in some UK viewers.

    What other companies follow WWE's preshow concept? ROH and Impact don't from my recollection. Feels like revolutionary AEW are the only ones copying WWE's format atm.
    TNA used to do it occasionally before they fell off a cliff and went into severe debt. ROH literally just did it with the G1 Supercard. It's pretty ridiculous to try to ridicule AEW for every little similarity they have with WWE. You do know they're both wrestling companies right?

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    I don't really care what format the pre-show is, just as long as it entertains me and makes me want to continue with excitement and buzz. Which the last two haven't. Maybe it's because it's the first two pre-shows which really needs to gain that extra viewer that it's judged differently to others.

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    As far as pre-shows go:

    - ROH seems to have regular pre-shows, especially for bigger shows. Recently, ROH ran Rush vs Flip Gordon on the pre-show for Best in the World.

    - NJPW has pre-shows at least before every Wrestle Kingdom event.

    - EVOLVE seemed to at least experiment with pre-shows, I see they did one for EVOLVE 119 at the start of the year.

    - Impact, I'm unsure if they do any form of pre-show anymore due to the sheer chaos behind the scenes for years, but they absolutely used to do pre-shows at one point. The biggest example being the pre-show for Slammiversary 2005 where Jarrett got into trouble, causing him to be pulled from the King of the Mountain match, allowing Raven to replace him in his journey to winning the NWA Title on that show. I did find a pre-show on FITE TV for Impact's Homecoming PPV though.

    - CHIKARA, I don't know if they still do, but I know they used to run pre-shows before their big events.

    - AAA seems to do pre-shows at least before Triplemania.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Loving the venue. It's a very very unique setup. Mediocre match but at least the fans were really into Sonny Kiss.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    It's a weird choice to have the hard cam face a wall and not the fans, but I actually dig it because it's a different look.

    Sonny's athletic, but it's all overly gimmicky, even just the splits seemed to happen about three times and it's a bit too much. For the undercard it's an act that absolutely works and has it's place and matches like this will get his initial character over, but I'm eager to see Sonny in a competition match against a more serious wrestler down the line.

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    OMG BRITT GOING TO TAG THE WRONG JAPANESE WRESTLER

    Accidental racism.
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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    OMG BRITT GOING TO TAG THE WRONG JAPANESE WRESTLER

    Accidental racism.
    That was great.

    Riho continues to be the standout of the division in my eyes. Bea Priestly made a strong first impression here. She seems to have a good character nailed down and has some cool moves. Wasn't impressed by Baker or Nakajima here. You can tell the match was put together short notice because it was overall pretty clunky and lots of missed spots.

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    Jim Ross = definition of collecting a check. "Did the match start?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Miracle View Post
    Jim Ross = definition of collecting a check. "Did the match start?"
    He's really not doing well.

    That Allie vs. Brandi match was even worse than I anticipated. Had the ref looking like an absolute dipshit and the action was way subpar on top of that. Boooo.

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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    The 3way tag wasn't bad.

    Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy have some good potential as a comedy team with a more serious run potentially happening as they grow up into a bigger role.


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    Re: AEW Fight For The Fallen 13/07/2019

    I'm sure he can't make one because it's his name, but if Kenny Omega made a shirt that simply said, Jim Cornette's Favorite Wrestler - Kenny Omega...he'd make millions

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    Been keeping my eye on this show. the 3-way tag is the only match that's left a good impression on my so far. Will re-watch a few tomorrow but eh.

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