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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    I thought the opening segment was kind of unnecessary since it was more of the same stuff we saw before. UNTIL Vince turned it around on Woods & E when things got good.

    Charlotte/Asuka was so unsatisfying to watch but but really didn't matter. I'm not going nuts over this because Asuka's reign is so awful anyway and what was the alternative? Asuka having another shit match with Mandy or Sonya? Screw them getting a WM match on that crowded show. I feel for Asuka because she deserves so much more, especially in comparison to Charlotte, but Flair's gotta get pushed as much as possible. The match was below average and Charlotte embarrassed herself yet again on that Moonsault into the Asuka Lock. Who woulda thunk Charlotte would botch something?

    Kurt/AJ was a huge disappointment & waste of time. They shouldn't have advertised this in hindsight. ETE is right about Kurt being super awkward though. His Angle Slam on Orton was bad stuff.

    Dominic is a bad promo.

    Miz also was a bad promo and how stupid was Miz...MIZ now being Stone Cold? The Miz beating up 11 guys was comical. Last week was really good, I don't know why they went this stupid route.

    I can't believe anyone would even dare compare this Kofi deal to the women. That's comparing one of WWE's best & hottest angles in years to arguably their worst. I absolutely love the swerve of Woods & E winning the shot instead of just Kofi winning. I loved The Usos promo & forfeit. The finish was awesome, the crowd went absolutely nuts. The closing visual was great. This was freaking great TV & sets up a world of possiblities for all kinds of stuff going forward. Probably some of their best work in awhile. The women undeservedly got gifted going on last to "make history" but there's no question what the real main event is in quality & to the fans. That said, there's a huge flaw in this whole storyline (2 really, the first being why the fuck was all this screwing over Kofi necessary to begin with from Vince's POV): This gauntlet was better than last week & Woods & Big E are by far better than Kofi, both in storyline & in reality. If you really look at it, what exactly makes Kofi so special? I also think Vince's reaction would have been better if he had been more vague or more pissed since he could have played off of earlier wondering if Woods & Big E are B+ players like Kofi is, & now he knows for sure. How he did it was basically like he didn't even care that Kofi's in the main event after all this crap we have been through.

    Thought the show was all bad until the main event, but they ended with a great thing & the crowd loved it. Good stuff.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Zero in hates Charlotte's match shocker, you'll do anything to avoid saying something positive about her. The botch was bad (think Sanada/Tanahashi had a dumb moonsault into submission delay just like this last week) and really Charlotte should just stopped doing moonsaults now until Andrade teaches her how to do it right, but aside from that the match was very good and I think most people feel that way about the match from the reviews and opinions online I've seen on the match. Best TV match in weeks.

    I was surprised you liked Angle/Joe so much from Raw, because Angle has looked terrible and awkward against everyone except Gable where they could slow it down and work on the mat more. Headbutt callback aside it was sad to watch and an unnecessary loss for the US Champion. This interruption was a blessing and I think they actually have taken the correct route in not promoting an appealing mania match for Angle because he wouldn't be able to deliver anything good at this stage.

    How are Big E and Woods better than Kofi in the storyline? They got to team up in their gauntlet, it consisted of two jobber tag teams and the Usos gave them a free pass? Kofi won a gauntlet on his own against main event level heels (and Rowan) and previously proved himself in the February gauntlet and the chamber. So far in this angle, Kofi is the one that's proven he's capable of much more in his singles career and the crowd are right behind him. I know you prefer the other two as workers, but in kayfabe no way have they shown they're better than Kofi

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

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    Zero in hates Charlotte's match shocker, you'll do anything to avoid saying something positive about her. The botch was bad (think Sanada/Tanahashi had a dumb moonsault into submission delay just like this last week) and really Charlotte should just stopped doing moonsaults now until Andrade teaches her how to do it right, but aside from that the match was very good and I think most people feel that way about the match from the reviews and opinions online I've seen on the match. Best TV match in weeks.
    I liked their WM a lot and had it #2 for WWE MOTY last year in fact...this was just a lot worse. The gauntlet tonight was better or just The Bar part.

    I was surprised you liked Angle/Joe so much from Raw, because Angle has looked terrible and awkward against everyone except Gable where they could slow it down and work on the mat more. Headbutt callback aside it was sad to watch and an unnecessary loss for the US Champion. This interruption was a blessing and I think they actually have taken the correct route in not promoting an appealing mania match for Angle because he wouldn't be able to deliver anything good at this stage.
    After the Gable match bombed my expectations were so low I think that heightened my enjoyment of the Joe match. It wasn't like a great match or anything but for what it was I thought it overdelivered. I agree with you in the grand scheme of things though. Kurt's shot and I think this Corbin match isn't a big loss, nothing would deliver expectations.

    How are Big E and Woods better than Kofi in the storyline? They got to team up in their gauntlet, it consisted of two jobber tag teams and the Usos gave them a free pass? Kofi won a gauntlet on his own against main event level heels (and Rowan) and previously proved himself in the February gauntlet and the chamber. So far in this angle, Kofi is the one that's proven he's capable of much more in his singles career and the crowd are right behind him. I know you prefer the other two as workers, but in kayfabe no way have they shown they're better than Kofi
    Except Bryan pointed it out in the beginning, he lost all those matches and opportunities at the end of the day. Granted they weren't really losses to be ashamed of, but they weren't wins either. He really he hasn't proven any more than Woods and Big E have, who not only won their match, but also have been the ones stepping to Vince this whole way through fighting for Kofi while Kofi has been standing for hours at a door and watching them do stuff for him. And I do think that's intentional to set up Big E and Woods turning on him but I would have preferred Kofi taking more of a leadership role and getting a big win as well going into Mania, to me the other two have shown so much more than him throughout.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Except Bryan pointed it out in the beginning, he lost all those matches and opportunities at the end of the day. Granted they weren't really losses to be ashamed of, but they weren't wins either. He really he hasn't proven any more than Woods and Big E have, who not only won their match, but also have been the ones stepping to Vince this whole way through fighting for Kofi while Kofi has been standing for hours at a door and watching them do stuff for him. And I do think that's intentional to set up Big E and Woods turning on him but I would have preferred Kofi taking more of a leadership role and getting a big win as well going into Mania, to me the other two have shown so much more than him throughout.
    Kofi won his gauntlet match last week, and then Vince screwed him over by then adding another match. Big E and Woods won their match against lesser talent and with a bye and the result was allowed to stand. I don't think Big E and Woods look better in kayfabe because Vince decided not to screw over those two, only Kofi. The heart of the storyline is that Kofi more than deserves his shot at the title and Vince keeps screwing him out of it.

    I think the dynamic they had a few weeks ago was better when Big E and Woods spoke up for Kofi, and then Kofi had the final say and cut a great promo too, but I didn't mind that this week he took a back step, it came off to me like the latest screwjob crushed his spirit and he didn't know what the next step was for him. Also suited the theme of the episode of Big E and Woods are this week gonna do the fighting for Kofi. I do think they've put seeds in place that could lead to a heel turn which in one respect is better than doing nothing with these guys and keeping them in the tag division post mania, but it would be so deflating for them to take the cliched heel turn route with these guys.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Watched Asuka vs Charlotte. Eh, count me in the people that didn't like it. It didn't blow me away like their WM match did. It seemed rushed and awkward in parts. disappointing show by both.
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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Charlotte and Asuka was a great Smackdown match imo.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Vince doesn't like Kofi for the same reason Trips didn't like Bryan: Kofi doesn't look like a main eventer. I don't think you need more than that now after the whole Bryan-HHH angle from 2014. Vince just not seeing "it" in Kofi is enough.

    As for what makes him special, nothing except being a likable-looking dude, having a long-running athletic gimmick, and having longevity in the WWE that translates to being passed over and shit on by the company.

    In a lot of ways, Kofi is an underdog story that we haven't seen since Mysterio/Eddie. Bryan was an underdog story but he was always destined for the main event. Kofi is a surprise. Mysterio was a shocker. Eddie was, kind of, too. Sometimes, every few years, fans gravitate to those stories when presented with them.

    I don't think Kofi will be more than a one-time champion (could be wrong but doubt it), and I don't think fans will gravitate to a Kofi-esque underdog character situation for a while after Kofi's angle ends.
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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Zero...when you say that Kofi hasnt done anything to warrant a championship match, you do mean outside of pinning the champion clean...twice.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Re: Angle angle... I do wonder if they use his farewell to get Undertaker his Mania moment. Angle is in the ring waiting for Corbin, but camera shows him knocked out backstage. Taker hits the ring, acts like he's gonna attack Angle, then offers a handshake or show of respect. Some baddies hit the ring and Angle/Taker hit their moves and stand tall.

    That's better than an Angle Corbin match. Hire me WWE.


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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorah Mormont View Post
    Re: Angle angle... I do wonder if they use his farewell to get Undertaker his Mania moment. Angle is in the ring waiting for Corbin, but camera shows him knocked out backstage. Taker hits the ring, acts like he's gonna attack Angle, then offers a handshake or show of respect. Some baddies hit the ring and Angle/Taker hit their moves and stand tall.

    That's better than an Angle Corbin match. Hire me WWE.
    I like the idea, however would this match be any good? Taker needs opponents that can carry the match for him and Angle is at a stage where he's also very much relying on having a good opponent in order to have a good match these days. I still think that this is the only way we get Cena on the card. I think Taker will appear but I think it's more likely to be in the Elias concert segment.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post
    I like the idea, however would this match be any good? Taker needs opponents that can carry the match for him and Angle is at a stage where he's also very much relying on having a good opponent in order to have a good match these days. I still think that this is the only way we get Cena on the card. I think Taker will appear but I think it's more likely to be in the Elias concert segment.
    Wouldn't be a match. Just hit their big moves and send the baddies packing. Two min of fighting, tops. Hit the Chokeslam/Tombstone/Angle Slam/Ankle Lock and call it a day. Like when DX/nWo/Kliq whoever it was whipped on the Revival at the RAW Anniversary.


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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorah Mormont View Post
    Wouldn't be a match. Just hit their big moves and send the baddies packing. Two min of fighting, tops. Hit the Chokeslam/Tombstone/Angle Slam/Ankle Lock and call it a day. Like when DX/nWo/Kliq whoever it was whipped on the Revival at the RAW Anniversary.
    I'd prefer for Angle's last Wrestlemania match to be an actual match than a 2 minute cameo. He deserves that. He's been having 5-10 minute matches during his farewell tour so I would expect him to have a 10 minute match at least at Mania.

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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorah Mormont View Post
    Re: Angle angle... I do wonder if they use his farewell to get Undertaker his Mania moment. Angle is in the ring waiting for Corbin, but camera shows him knocked out backstage. Taker hits the ring, acts like he's gonna attack Angle, then offers a handshake or show of respect. Some baddies hit the ring and Angle/Taker hit their moves and stand tall.

    That's better than an Angle Corbin match. Hire me WWE.
    Why would Corbin be knocked out? Undertaker attacked him from behind? Meh.

    Have Corbin attack Angle after the match with either Cena or Taker coming out for the save instead.




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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

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    Why would Corbin be knocked out? Undertaker attacked him from behind? Meh.
    They could always shoot a vignette where he just knocks himself out by running into a wall or something.


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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuji Vice View Post
    They could always shoot a vignette where he just knocks himself out by running into a wall or something.
    Seems very in character for him. Book it!


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    Re: WWE Smackdown Live Discussion - March 26, 2019

    Charlotte winning the SD Women's title after not having a win since, like, December and doing nothing to earn it is a major slap in the face to all the Smackdown women (which isn't the first time that's happened) and is completely necessary to that overbooked to hell feud. No story, no reason, just 'hey Charlotte has yet another accolade, screw everything else.' I'm in the minority here but I would've dug Asuka vs Rose vs Deville on the main stage. Rose & Deville aren't on the level of Asuka, skill-wise (Deville's getting there), but a triple threat or other multiperson match would've hidden those skill gaps and it seemed like that was where the story was heading.

    I'm also disappointed Sanity has been turned into cronies for Shane McMahon - which as an aside sorta goes against their entire characters doesn't it? - when this would've been a prime opportunity to bring back to OG trio of Shane McMahon cronies.



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