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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    So may I ask, when is the sweepstake, and are we all allowed to enter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sykotic View Post
    Honestly not sure why I’d say this as I’m Welsh but Southgate picking players he knows is a shitty excuse.

    How many games does he go to a season? Well over a 100. He should know who is decent and a right fit for the squad. Players like Lascelles have leadership qualities you can’t develop.

    He also doesn’t need 3 RBs regardless of what formation. Experimenting Walker in a back three could be his big downfall. Arnold is there for experience as Trippier will get the nod in a RWB role.

    Better off taking an extra CM as you don’t need all 6 of Walker, Arnold, Trippier, Delph, Rose & Young. Especially when Young can play both sides.
    I don’t think it is a shitty excuse at all. Sure, you can watch games, but from what I understand you don’t teally know a player just by watching them. To what degree is their performance linked to the current tactics? Or to their teammates? What are they like in training? What is their personality like? Can they take orders? Would they click with others? All of those things have to be taken in to consideration too, and you can only really know that through selecting squads and seeing what they’re like. Now isn’t the time to risk with dynamics. And this is definitely a thing, because how often have we seen great players just not do it for a certain club? Dynamics matter.

    Lascelles is is an interesting one because I think he more than deserves to have gotten in to a squad, but once Southgate made to clear he was only picking people he has selected before he was never making it in. While Lascelles has been great for Newcastle, and seems to show leadership skills there, I understand not taking the risk. Would he and Stones and Walker be compatible? Or would that “leadership” actually get in the way? Again, we don’t know. I do hope he gets a run after the World Cup, though.

    6 wing backs (that’s what they are likely going to be, not full backs) is a little excessive. But it’s a tiring position that may need rotation/is risk of injury or fatigue, so you need one back up for each side. And I think Walker has gone as a centre back, and Delph as a centre midfielder.

    You say that we need another CM, but who? The stand bys are Cook and Livermore. If they are coming on in a World Cup we’re in trouble anyway. The only alternatives were Wilshere (not playing enough, which was a criteria Southgate made clear early) and Shelvey (in good form, but indisciplined, apparently has poor attitude, and it’s unclear how exactly he fits within the style Southgate wants anyway).

    I do take your points and understand why some might be a little underwhelmed (I certainly was at first glance), but when the debate is over Lascelles vs Maguire and Shelvey vs Delph, we’re talking minimal gains anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefmoon View Post
    I don’t think it is a shitty excuse at all. Sure, you can watch games, but from what I understand you don’t teally know a player just by watching them. To what degree is their performance linked to the current tactics? Or to their teammates? What are they like in training? What is their personality like? Can they take orders? Would they click with others? All of those things have to be taken in to consideration too, and you can only really know that through selecting squads and seeing what they’re like. Now isn’t the time to risk with dynamics. And this is definitely a thing, because how often have we seen great players just not do it for a certain club? Dynamics matter.

    Lascelles is is an interesting one because I think he more than deserves to have gotten in to a squad, but once Southgate made to clear he was only picking people he has selected before he was never making it in. While Lascelles has been great for Newcastle, and seems to show leadership skills there, I understand not taking the risk. Would he and Stones and Walker be compatible? Or would that “leadership” actually get in the way? Again, we don’t know. I do hope he gets a run after the World Cup, though.

    6 wing backs (that’s what they are likely going to be, not full backs) is a little excessive. But it’s a tiring position that may need rotation/is risk of injury or fatigue, so you need one back up for each side. And I think Walker has gone as a centre back, and Delph as a centre midfielder.

    You say that we need another CM, but who? The stand bys are Cook and Livermore. If they are coming on in a World Cup we’re in trouble anyway. The only alternatives were Wilshere (not playing enough, which was a criteria Southgate made clear early) and Shelvey (in good form, but indisciplined, apparently has poor attitude, and it’s unclear how exactly he fits within the style Southgate wants anyway).

    I do take your points and understand why some might be a little underwhelmed (I certainly was at first glance), but when the debate is over Lascelles vs Maguire and Shelvey vs Delph, we’re talking minimal gains anyway.

    Lallana even? Granted he hasn’t played much but he has pedigree for performing in an England shirt, which is why Welbeck was picked.

    Biggest ommission is Bertrand for Rose. Rose has only played 9 games.

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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    Bertrand is nowhere near as good as Rose though. Bertrand is incredibly average, whereas Rose at least has proven that he's a really good fullback and was good when he played this year.

    Bertrand offers nothing and wouldn't be competing for the number 1 spot. Whereas Rose is.







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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    Phil Jones' performance yesterday has me worried if he's a starter. That's why we're looking at Walker at CB haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sykotic View Post
    Lallana even? Granted he hasn’t played much but he has pedigree for performing in an England shirt
    You can't criticise the Danny Rose call up because of shortage of games and then suggest Lallana should of been picked despite his shortage of games. Rose we know is fit to play 90 minutes, he's only been left out by Spurs so much because of his contract situation.

    I agree with your point on he goes to enough games to know every English player's form in the premier league. It's his duty to know that, hence why he has a free ticket to any stadium in the country, to get his scouting right. My guess is he didn't go to SJP too often this season to see their English players at their best. His consistent call ups of Jake Livermore hinted that he really wasn't paying attention to our season at all because he was shite until Moore took over
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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    Can we talk about France leaving out players that would walk into the England team?
    I have a plan so cunning......

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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Can we talk about France leaving out players that would walk into the England team?
    I’d rather not!

    I think Lallana goes if there’s even a chance he’s fit enough. Southgate is a huge fan and clearly knows he provides something few other Englishmen do. If Lallana starts an extra 3 games or so for Pool he’s almost definitely in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Can we talk about France leaving out players that would walk into the England team?
    And yet France still won't do shit at the WC.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Shock View Post
    And yet France still won't do shit at the WC.
    Of course..their defence looks a bit iffy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Of course..their defence looks a bit iffy
    Plus their manager is a donut.







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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    You have Southgate
    I have a plan so cunning......

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    Do I hell.







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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    France are the real dark horse.

    A back four of Sidibe, Varane, Umtiti and Mendy isn’t bad at all. Especially with Kante protecting them.

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    Not sure about France. Lloris has been more shaky this season and Mendy is coming off the back of a long injury lay off. Varane and Umtiti are solid though and Kante in front is the best in the business in his position.
    I think Martial is extremely unlucky to have been left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post
    Not sure about France. Lloris has been more shaky this season and Mendy is coming off the back of a long injury lay off. Varane and Umtiti are solid though and Kante in front is the best in the business in his position.
    I think Martial is extremely unlucky to have been left out.
    Unlucky? What exactly about his Manchester United season makes his inclusion warranted? What attacker does he replace in the France squad? Thauvin, Lemar and Fekir all just had really strong seasons in France. Dembelee didn't have a great first season in Barcelona, but he brings elements that Martial does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    Unlucky? What exactly about his Manchester United season makes his inclusion warranted? What attacker does he replace in the France squad? Thauvin, Lemar and Fekir all just had really strong seasons in France. Dembelee didn't have a great first season in Barcelona, but he brings elements that Martial does not.
    When I say he's been unlucky I mean he's been unlucky not to have played more games this season for United. He had a purple patch the winter months but that was grounded to a halt as soon as Sanchez signed since he was the player sacrificed to make room. Martial then didn't get a look in despite Sanchez not performing when he really should have. So yes, he's been very unlucky. He was peaking, getting back to his best form and then was dropped in favour of the big money signing. Sanchez didn't perform, Martial should have come back into the team and didn't.
    He's also unlucky that other players like Thauvin, Lemar and Fekir have as you said had good seasons in their own right. I would say Martial should have been int he squad ahead of Dembele, he's not been as effective for Barca as he was for Dortmund. I don't see what elements he brings (especially when out of form) that Martial doesn't.

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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    I agree with BP - I actually think Martial is given limited opportunities at United - but he doesn't warrant a place over those named.

    In terms of gambling at the World Cup I fancy Spain again. There is a 60/1 Spain/Costa special that I'm seriously considering.

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    If France start with Giroud up front and Girezmann at 10 I don't think they will get anywhere. Needs to be Griezmann up top with Pogba in the 10 role.

    As for Martial I think he's been ousted by Lemar who gives more balance to the attack on the left side. I agree Dembele hasn't been firing too much for Barca but he did only come back this year.

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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    And now Belgium leave Radja Nainngolan out of their 28-man squd for 'tactical' reasons. Course it is Bobby!!

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    Re: World Cup 2018 Discussion Thread

    Some interesting choices there from Spain and Belgium.

    How on earth can Martinez justify putting Chadli and Benteke in there and leave out Nainggolan? Chadli's barely played all season and Benteke has had a very poor season. Belgium's squad doesn't seem as strong as it was last time round.

    Not surprised at Morata missing ou. He hasn't had a good season. Fabregas missing out is slightly surprising, and I do not know what Marcos Alonso has to do to become a regular in the Spain squad. He's been one of Chelsea's top and most consistent performers over the past 2 seasons. Better option than Alba and Monreal at LB for me and provides a lethal option at set pieces too. Unbelievable that he only has one cap to his name.

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