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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    You are entirely right.

    This did happen under Obama. To which he responded by enacting some of the most positive police reform changes we've seen in a LONG time.

    Then guess what happened?

    Trump dismantled all of that in his first year. The Minneapolis police union head PRAISED Trump for that move. He encouraged officers like Chavuin. This is the result.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.c...-kneeling.html
    Yeah, remember a few years ago he told them to rough up people? And encouraged not helping them into the cars gently?

    I remember seeing a few law enforcement officials warn that is going to escalate an already big problem. And it sure did.

    When the POTUS encourages police brutality, that is a huge problem. Especially in a country known for police brutality.

    Oh, and the hits keep coming:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...guard-protests
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    I was wrong for mentioning that it happens to white people as well. Silk was right for putting me in my place for it. Im not entirely sure why i brought it up. my intentions were not to take away from the seriousness of what happens to POC on a daily basis

    If i offended anyone, i apologize.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Chavez View Post
    That ANTIFA_US twitter account Shawn mentioned is linked to a White Nationalist organization: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn...mpression=true
    The dead giveaway was that the account was only created on Sunday.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    I think one thing to also be aware of here is the number of Russian-made misinformation accounts actively trying to grow dissent. The closer we get to the US election, the more Twitter is going to be flooded with fake news.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by King Steventon View Post
    The closer we get to the US election
    Seems so far away at the moment.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    This was posted on FB. Might help clear things up for my friends here outside the States better than I was able to.

    PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM “ANTIFA” IN RESPONSE TO THE THREATS ISSUED BY UNITED STATES PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP

    Dear Mr. Trump:

    Let us be perfectly clear:
    “Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”
    “Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
    The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.
    Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.
    And that is the only effect his words will have.

    It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the “AntiFa” page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.
    The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.
    But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement.

    Thus:

    “AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.
    Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged. We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.

    Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop.
    Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.
    We’ve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction. The so-called “accellerationists” who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.
    This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying ‘no more.’”
    And that, “President” Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isn’t a great deal of improvement, but she’ll only be president for a few months.

    You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.
    It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.
    Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands:
    -Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.
    -Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.

    -The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work.

    -Publicly funded higher education.

    -Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.

    -A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.


    -The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.


    -Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.


    -Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.

    In the end, Mr. “President,” the simple reality is that “AntiFa” isn’t a thing. You can’t end it, you can’t arrest it, and you can’t silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.
    “Antifa” means “Anti-Fascism.” The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no “organization” that you can “declare terrorists.”

    You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.

    America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as “president,” a fascist nation. We’ve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.
    Please, Mr. “President” - let’s not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.
    Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.

    Best Regards,

    “AntiFa



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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by King Steventon View Post
    I think one thing to also be aware of here is the number of Russian-made misinformation accounts actively trying to grow dissent. The closer we get to the US election, the more Twitter is going to be flooded with fake news.
    I'm pretty sure on election day I'm going to lock myself in my house with no live TV or internet.

    That day in 2016 was a nightmare for me. Constantly checking for updates every 5 minutes, like I was checking the score of a sports game. It was so nerve wracking. And then the crushing blow when they announced he won.

    I can't go through that again.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Compare Trump to Iran's former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Who's the worse person of the two?

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

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    Does anyone have anything on this? I have only heard of one victim claiming Trump engaged in sexual activity with her as a minor. her case was dismissed.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonE View Post
    Compare Trump to Iran's former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Who's the worse person of the two?

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    And why would we do that?
    They're both far right lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonE View Post
    They're both far right lunatics.
    I'd definitely say Trump is less mentally stable and intelligent.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Settle down, Trump hasn't openly stated he wants to nuke other countries off the planet or commit ethnic genocide. Lets get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Steventon View Post
    Settle down, Trump hasn't openly stated he wants to nuke other countries off the planet or commit ethnic genocide. Lets get a grip.
    You sure about that?

    He bragged numerous times about nuclear capabilities to North Korea. He threatens military might at almost any chance he can, and is the very epitome of an imperialist.

    And I don't think we even need to mention how much of a racist he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakura View Post
    You sure about that?

    He bragged numerous times about nuclear capabilities to North Korea. He threatens military might at almost any chance he can, and is the very epitome of an imperialist.

    And I don't think we even need to mention how much of a racist he is.
    Ahmadinejad openly had a policy of wanting to commit ethnic genocide and kill all jews, so yes I am positive there is a significant difference between him and Trump.

    If everyone is Hitler then it loses all meaning.

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    No one is saying everyone is Hitler.


    People are saying both of those guys are far right imbeciles with atrocious human rights offenses. Neither one is in the slightest bit redeemable.

    All I said was one was more intelligent than the other.
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    Trump just tweeted he has done more for Black Americans than any President in history. Lmao...you can't make this shit up.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    Trump just tweeted he has done more for Black Americans than any President in history. Lmao...you can't make this shit up.
    Even honest Abe?? Dang what a guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    Trump just tweeted he has done more for Black Americans than any President in history. Lmao...you can't make this shit up.
    I mean, he has idiots like Diamond & Silk telling him he's the "First black president" even.

    The cult is real.
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    Canada doesn't have 'systemic, deep roots' of racism that U.S. does, Ford says

    TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Doug Ford says Canada doesn't have the “systemic, deep roots” of racism that the United States does.

    Ford was asked today to comment on the protests in cities across the U.S. that were sparked by the death of a black man at the hands of a white police officer in Minneapolis.

    Ford, who spent a lot of time in the U.S. for his family's label business, said the difference between the two countries is that in Canada, people for the most part get along, working and shopping together.

    He says comparing Canada and the U.S. is like “night and day,” and he hopes America can straighten out its problems.

    Ford says he doesn't have time to watch the news these days, but believes in peaceful protest, without getting “anarchy” involved.

    The premier says he has zero tolerance for racism and has always stood up for the black community.
    The friend of mine (Canadian) who posted this said "Canada doesn’t have the recognition of its racism that the United States does" and I won't pretend I know much about the plight of indigenous Canadians but I'm interested in knowing more about what their climate is there regarding institutionalized racism
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