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    I saw Joe Rogan do a bit where the Founding Fathers come back and are disappointed that almost NO changes to the Constitution have been made.

    Thomas Jefferson: "Really? We wrote 95 percent of this in 1776 and this is the best you could do? To drink or not to drink and fixing that whole slavery thing? Thats it?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by White Rhyno View Post
    No one is listening to anyone any more; both sides just wait to speak. There will need to be some middle ground here to get anything accomplished and I haven't seen much. One side feels like they are giving up too much and the other side feels like so much more needs to be done that any resolution will wind up being panned by both sides.
    I will agree with one thing and only one thing that you said. This. ^

    I am 100% not open to ANY sort of further regulations on gun sales themselves. That means banning certain types of guns or magazines.

    The other side won't accept anything less.

    So here we are.

    We could work together and close some loopholes in background checks, create some red flag laws, make background checks more accurate and things that would disqualify someone be faster reported, etc...

    There is much that COULD be accomplished. But they INSIST on punishing lawful gun owners. It isn't about safety to them. It is about retribution against innocent people. They want them to give up guns that has been in their families for generations. And for those ill informed yes, an "assault weapons" ban would do that unless you only make it for new sales of guns because what you so incorrectly call "assault weapons" has been around for nearly a hundred years and would include many hunting rifles that are nearly 100 years old. And you don't get the emotion behind this? Taking a family heirloom that has been in a family for generations?

    And even if you would only make it for new guns sales it is still not acceptable. The guns are still out there. You can go to flea markets and buy them without a background check. You can buy local 'Trade And Sell' type papers and buy them from private owners without a background check. It. Won't. Help. It only punishes those who do things the right way.

    So we must draw a line in the sand and firmly say, "This far, and no further." and that is what has been done.

    Cross it and who knows what will result?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post

    And with that, I must once more bow out of this gun debate.

    *tips hat*

    Dak

    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post
    I will agree with one thing and only one thing that you said. This. ^

    I am 100% not open to ANY sort of further regulations on gun sales themselves. That means banning certain types of guns or magazines.

    The other side won't accept anything less.

    So here we are.

    We could work together and close some loopholes in background checks, create some red flag laws, make background checks more accurate and things that would disqualify someone be faster reported, etc...

    There is much that COULD be accomplished. But they INSIST on punishing lawful gun owners. It isn't about safety to them. It is about retribution against innocent people. They want them to give up guns that has been in their families for generations. And for those ill informed yes, an "assault weapons" ban would do that unless you only make it for new sales of guns because what you so incorrectly call "assault weapons" has been around for nearly a hundred years and would include many hunting rifles that are nearly 100 years old. And you don't get the emotion behind this? Taking a family heirloom that has been in a family for generations?

    And even if you would only make it for new guns sales it is still not acceptable. The guns are still out there. You can go to flea markets and buy them without a background check. You can buy local 'Trade And Sell' type papers and buy them from private owners without a background check. It. Won't. Help. It only punishes those who do things the right way.

    So we must draw a line in the sand and firmly say, "This far, and no further." and that is what has been done.

    Cross it and who knows what will result?
    Also Dak

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    On a personal note, Jon's reaction to the idea of a draft answered indy's question from a week or two back. "Why are servicemembers celebrated for a choice they make?" I think a big reason they are celebrated in the US is because an all volunteer Army means no one will be drafted or forced to serve. The fact that these people also willingly take on a job that could potentially put them in danger in service to their country and fellow citizens (I know how you feel about that slant Indy, but bear with me), and they have to give up several rights to serve is the WHY.
    Servicemembers can't decide when to quit, what assignments they will take, how long they are away from their families, they can't fight geographical moves if they are ordered to, etc. They (and their families) willingly take on that to keep EVERYONE from having to do it.

    Thats sounds like masturbation coming from me so I didn't want to share this too loudly, but the military isn't just another job. It requires a little bit more sacrifice than most.
    Well, the reason I wouldnt volunteer for the army is because I don't believe in it. If I felt that we were fighting for a legitimate reason; IE: Nazism/Fascism/White Nationalism and it was encroaching into our country, I would be very much inclined to volunteer. So it's not a fear thing, but a moral thing for me. Taking a job that puts you in danger doesnt automatically make it a job were admiring, and in service to your fellow citizens can be very debatable.

    I think if there was less moral ambiguity and questionable decision making in the US's peace efforts overseas, the job of a service member would be a lot more respectable. But because there are so many questions about the motivations and the actions taken overseas, its hard to feel like soldiers are peacekeepers (much in the same way as the amount of controversy surrounding police offers makes it hard to feel like they're serving/protecting us).

    So basically, in a dream world where soldiers had clearer defined roles and objectives in terms of international peace keeping, the job would be not only something I'd celebrate but also would love to contribute to. In the real world, I find it hard to admire/support/celebrate it. That said, I wont villyfy service members or criticize them. I'll take it by the individual.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post
    I am 100% not open to ANY sort of further regulations on gun sales themselves. That means banning certain types of guns or magazines.
    And why is that, though? What is the great significance and gander with such to you?


    It says no where in the 2A about what kinds of arms you are permitted or not permitted to have. If you still have the right to bear arms, even if it's only a shotgun, you still have the same right. You don't need access to any and all guns. Nothing ever said such or implied such.

    Also, why is it you truly think these people knew best and were so knowledgeable? As stated, the world was radically different back then. Compare medicine now to then. Society. Do we still duel to the death over petty differences and think of such as normal? Of course not, because that's downright insane. As was a lot of stuff they did back then. Slavery? No, absolutely not. That's not okay. So why is it that this one thing is something you are absolutely dead set on being a must have for the end of time, when the very people who put such in there had entirely different lives than anyone today, different needs, and different views?

    This is not the 1700s. The world is radically different, and therefor the regulations should be. And they are. For almost everything but that.

    Plus, you yourself do not even own a gun you have said. Yet, you have also said living in rural areas in the USA, police time is bad, so one is almost a need be.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Trade wars on my mind (as my stock portfolio is down nearly 4%).

    I don't see a situation where the US wins the trade war. There's no economic incentive for China to fix the trade imbalance. And while I agree it's a problem for the US, I think it's something we might have to live with. Quite frankly, up to this point China has actually shown reasonably restraint in their actions, and have completely out maneuvered Donald Trump. Alibaba & Pinduoduo's earnings reports show that the Chinese consumers are not being impacted. I think eventually manufacturing will take a hit, but I don't know when that happens.

    So I've been thinking about alternative negotiating points that the US could use instead of the trade imbalance.

    1.) Intellectual property theft: China must allow the US to prosecute for intellectual property theft.

    2.) Open China to US businesses: China is really hard to sell to for the United States. Even having a website in China requires you to have an ICP license. Up until just a few years ago it was a hard no for US businesses to obtain one. Now you need to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to receive that no.

    3.) Open China to US visitors: China requires US tourists to have a visa ahead of time before they're allowed into the country. Simplify this process - it makes it easier for US businesses, and tourists.

    Now this doesn't solve the core problem - I don't know if you can. I suppose what you can do is work with countries where the US has better relations. Think South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia in APAC; perhaps Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria in Europe; I would say really anything is at play in South America, and Africa. Brazil we'd have a strong negotiating point, where we could ask them to remove the requirements for visas, and their import tax. You can make those countries more competitive for US businesses and perhaps that puts pressure on China.

    ... but as it stands, I don't see the US winning this trade war. Unfortunately Trump went in guns blazing, and we're looking like the Dothraki in the Battle of Winterfell.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    You're right Ino. There is no way US wins this trade war.

    Not only has it hurt a lot of agricultural businesses, it's now officially affected my family personally.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...WzI6onWWgwt_IE

    The Del Monte plant in my town, the same plant that has been there since 1930, and the same one my own father has worked at for 40 years is closing down because of the state of the tariff wars and unusually low yields the last few years. Over 350 workers are going to be laid off by next year unless another company buys the plant.

    This stupid trade shit has now personally affected how my family gets food on the table, and our family's future is certain as far as health insurance goes. We got our insurance from Del Monte's plan.

    What a sham. And I can personally thank Trump for this fucking bullshit. Thanks, Trump.

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    Trump is ordering companies to leave China. Lol

    As if CEOs are going to listen.

    I read an article stating that Chinas owns 1.2 trillion of US government debt. And they are collecting billions in interest off of it.
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    Can we also talk about how the moron wanted to buy Greenland, and then cancelled a visit to Denmark when they said no?


    And how he is a raging anti-semite who has pissed off the entire Jewish community with his idiocy?

    But yeah, his tariffs and trade war attempts show that he has no grasp of economics.
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    What's up with Yang being censored/not represented by media? Shit's real lame. Are the media scared or what?


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    They don't want to distract from the candidates they prefer.

    It reminds me with what we saw (to a lesser extent) with Bernie, and the media and DNC really pushing for Hillary.

    It's because just like with politicians being bought by companies to do their bidding, the news media is bought for similar purposes for ad revenue.

    Think about it with how Mitch McConnell makes millions by working against environmental regulations, while making a ton of money off oil and coal companies.


    Also, today Mango Mussolini officially launched "SPACE COMMAND".

    Okay, Buzz Lightyear. He went on and on about the nationalist drum beat on how we need it to protect our freedom.

    Just like we need to bomb the shit out of random countries to stay "Free". Can't have our freedom without bombing Iraqis, yaknow.
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    As much as we could wish for space to be shared amongst the world... technically, galaxy I guess? It won't happen that way. As much as Trump is a doof, Space Force is actually needed. Maybe it doesn't require its own branch of the military but it probably doesn't hurt.

    Just look at the artic, and the artic shipping routes. China & Russia are already heavily politicizing those as they open up with global warming.

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    As much as we could wish for space to be shared amongst the world... technically, galaxy I guess? It won't happen that way. As much as Trump is a doof, Space Force is actually needed. Maybe it doesn't require its own branch of the military but it probably doesn't hurt.

    Just look at the artic, and the artic shipping routes. China & Russia are already heavily politicizing those as they open up with global warming.
    That is already covered by the air force. There is already an established entity for that sort of thing in the air force.

    And another thing is, it's absolutely not needed now. There are much more pressing issues, and things for NASA should be prioritized. We are still relying on Russia just to get to space, mostly.

    So I get your point, but as an aspect of priorities, it does hurt other aspects.
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    That is already covered by the air force. There is already an established entity for that sort of thing in the air force.

    And another thing is, it's absolutely not needed now. There are much more pressing issues, and things for NASA should be prioritized. We are still relying on Russia just to get to space, mostly.

    So I get your point, but as an aspect of priorities, it does hurt other aspects.
    I'm with you on the Air Force, and 100% believe he only created a new branch of the military for his 'legacy.'

    I would personally love for the Space Force budget - and a substantial part of the overall military budget - to be moved to NASA and improving STEM education efforts in schools.

    With that said, part of me likes that the USA is using SpaceX, Russia... etc. to perform space 'missions.' Ignoring Russia, I think the private sector will almost always move faster than than a publicly funded entity (look at Libra vs FedNow faster payments). But I do think we sometimes need a public fund to perform some projects.
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    I'm with you on the Air Force, and 100% believe he only created a new branch of the military for his 'legacy.'

    I would personally love for the Space Force budget - and a substantial part of the overall military budget - to be moved to NASA and improving STEM education efforts in schools.

    With that said, part of me likes that the USA is using SpaceX, Russia... etc. to perform space 'missions.' Ignoring Russia, I think the private sector will almost always move faster than than a publicly funded entity (look at Libra vs FedNow faster payments). But I do think we sometimes need a public fund to perform some projects.
    Yeah, I think that would be a much better way to do it.

    The military budget is completely and utterly too much.

    Around 60% of the budget? And more than the next 12 countries combined? And that is including Russia, China, and North Korea? That is lunacy.
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    Two mass shooting this weekend.

    fuckin christ....
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    Not really surprising, sadly.

    Nothing will be done about it, either. The hillbillies are too stuck in their ways, and the politicians reap too much NRA money.
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/trum...g-disease.html

    I don't vape. But if I did, at least I have the choice to vape. No different than smoking.

    Yet nothing is done to protect the people who didn't have a choice to get shot at school, church, work, having a good time at a movie or concert.

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    It's a good Tuesday Afternoon to hear Nancy Pelosi say a formal Impeachment Inquiry will be put on Trump. Whether or not it gets done I don't know the future and I don't have a Magic Ball to see it, but I hope to hell this man gets impeached.

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    At this point, I'm pretty pessimistic about anything actually happening.

    It's very, very clear that the POTUS these days can and will get away with anything they so please. Given the Mueller Report literally stated if he was not a sitting president, he would be charged with a crime...And the fact he was not only elected, but allowed to run a circus like this for this long?

    Absolutely disgusting and shameful. Any half-decent country would have ousted Mango Mussolini by this point.
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    Every day it's a new story of corruption with Trump, yet nothing gets done.

    Pathetic.

    Let China rule the world.

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