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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Main Event Scene

    One of the best debates we ever had was about the X-Championship and the X-division's role in the FWA. If we had a big enough roster, I'd try again making the X-championship the ECW-esque FTW belt that doesn't have a set promo grade/level/whatever assigned to it (like we often do for the World title and NA title) and then bring back the Young Lions or 24/7 championship.


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    I've always felt like the less Titles the better. In a 2 brand situation it can make sense to reward all the divisions on both shows if you have the roster numbers. But at one stage just at the end of PWS we had what 5 singles Titles + the Womens and tag. And the gap between them was like 1 point grading wise. So I wouldn't want to bring any back right now, even a High Fly title sounds good but in an E-fed the point of it is kind of lost as you don't see them competing so size discrepancies never really come to mind, so there doesn't seem much point in a little guys/high flyer division.
    Even before PWS closed, we were planning to combine the NA/TV titles and make the X-championship more than a lower-card belt.
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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    The 24/7 Championship is locked up in my private robot monkey guarded vault. If you want it, you are going to need a team of sexy ninjas to get it out!


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    Challenge accepted, Gryphon. Challenge accepted.





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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonGryphon View Post
    The 24/7 Championship is locked up in my private robot monkey guarded vault. If you want it, you are going to need a team of sexy ninjas to get it out!

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    I actually liked the concept of the 24/7 Title it just really sucks on the timing though, so I wouldn't be opposed to it's return. Also, it's good to know that that was the original plans for the X Championship, though I am curious as to what you meant by "that doesn't have a set promo grade/level/whatever assigned to it"

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    At RWB last year, Gryphon/Garcia/Sullivan graded higher than the NA and TV title competitors. That's what I mean. It could involve guys who are grading around 66 or 67, or it could involve guys grading around 61 or 62 or 63. The belt would be gimmicky.

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    If we are going to bring back a title, it should be the TV Title since it has so much history.


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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    At RWB last year, Gryphon/Garcia/Sullivan graded higher than the NA and TV title competitors. That's what I mean. It could involve guys who are grading around 66 or 67, or it could involve guys grading around 61 or 62 or 63. The belt would be gimmicky.
    Ah ok

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    Not that I'm involved in FWA (I'm actually in CWA) but I peek my head in now and again and like to see what is happening. If you don't mind my saying; I think a second brand/more titles is a bad move. We have roughly the same roster sizes and in CWA we have a World and secondary championship - complimented by tag titles of course - and it is more than enough. You guys obviously have a womens division and the X strap on top of that; I personally feel you've got the right balance. As for a second brand? I think it'd really stretch your roster thin. Again this is just my opinion, but, over saturation and a revolving main event scene is better in my book than a stale, weak (in numbers not quality) main event picture.

    Just my thoughts, don't mind my barging in.

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    What Tig said.

    And TV Title doesn't really have that much history, its been retired a few times at least now. One of those Title/divisions that burned hot for brief periods at a time.




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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Main Event Scene

    Quote Originally Posted by mrcigarettes View Post
    Shane McLean is your World Champion. Ryan Hall might be a favorite, but, again, as an outsider looking in, Ryan Hall no showed the Fight Night Card. Hall might be the cats meow, but the five others in that match showed up and roleplayed. No offense, but under those circumstances, it's Hall who isn't the main eventer in that group, not McLean or PAJ or anyone else. McLean's roleplay won him the belt. On the outside, seeing former mods or top level handlers say "but still" in this case diminishes the accomplishment and diminishes his ascension because the elite won't take him in as his own.
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    Bringing in any belt would be a horrible idea and bringing in High Fly belt would be the worst idea of them all since it limits a division to high flyers and if you want to stay through to the gimmick then the division would be thinner than the womens division.
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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    With the roster the size that is now, no additional titles are needed. And with the amount of establised main eventers and the amount of guys getting pushed into the main event, the only title that would need to be brought back would be the World Heavyweight Title (ONLY if we had another brand and ONLY if we had half a dozen more midcarders to fill out the undercard

    But given the rosters size, no more titles are necessary



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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    Quote Originally Posted by Tig Trager View Post
    Not that I'm involved in FWA (I'm actually in CWA) but I peek my head in now and again and like to see what is happening. If you don't mind my saying; I think a second brand/more titles is a bad move. We have roughly the same roster sizes and in CWA we have a World and secondary championship - complimented by tag titles of course - and it is more than enough. You guys obviously have a womens division and the X strap on top of that; I personally feel you've got the right balance. As for a second brand? I think it'd really stretch your roster thin. Again this is just my opinion, but, over saturation and a revolving main event scene is better in my book than a stale, weak (in numbers not quality) main event picture.

    Just my thoughts, don't mind my barging in.

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    Second brand would be bad. Do we have a fight night preshow? We could do that as a pseudo brand for a bit ie no limited roster, we just use it to further storylines and maybe have a few matches with perhaps an x divisiom title match chucked in or other titles on certain occasions (long ppv breaks etc). Just so FN itself isnt saturated.

    Dunno man high as fuck.

    Another question here, I see alot of people tell me Rondo is missing that last piece, what was it?

    As for recently, my private life took over for a while and I just havent been able to do a lot of shit but still trying to rp. I feel like im missing that feud that sticks out. I feel like the feuds ive had just havent been memorable and either Rondo or his feudee have been plucked from thin air to fill the feud. The feud with Devin Golden is something I wanted and it stood out but he did most of the work and I feel like my promos couldve been better. Originally we were going to do a sunrise-sunset style promo with the same american war theme and have them be on opposite sides.

    Well shit. I have enjoyed this recent run and the push is respected.

    By the by I love Wolf but I also love the mods and the work they do so im neutral as fuck.

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    I have nothing against mods. I am just playing the role of a retired prowrestler.

    Ziggler is a good example in this. He has all the talent in the world and he still lacks something to put him on a main event level. What it is? Nobody knows. Rondo is doing good starting with the turn and then the feud with Thunder- it was golden pun intended. I would say one big feud with former world champion like Stu, Kennedy, Hall or Wolf and he would be there.
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    I wish I could answer that Shake but I cant. Its tricky to pinpoint with everyone having their own style of writing and own strengths to their writing. What works for me or anyone else may not work for you and the Rondo character. What I can say is like we saw with the whole Sunrise/Sunset partnership/feud working big angles like that can be what really helps you put it all together. Working with Cryonix for all those years feuding with Jenny and then Sinful Sensuality really helped me improve my writing, but he was also a genius with idea's and giving me advice. Then later on joining Age Of The Fallen with Stu really helped me up my game as well. You're right on the cusp though Shake, you're writing some of my favourite promos thesedays.




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    deleting...one below is better
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    Ever heard about storytelling and about Daniel Bryan? No, it creates the best storylines in prowrestling

    Alright, thing gotten eaten so let's try this again.

    Storytelling and about Daniel Bryan?

    You're cherry-picking a very specific story that is critically successful to make a case without acknowledging the meta elements within it that gave the audience enjoyment and catharsis for Daniel Bryan's payoff. You're talking about a talent that WWE had enough confidence in when they signed him to have him practically skip developmental, built the first season of NXT on his name recognition, and threw him in with a World Champion. On top of that, after Summerslam last year, he was being moved out of a title scene the fans wanted him in and it created such a backlash that WWE changed course after the Royal Rumble and basically built Mania 30 all around the story of Bryan getting his belt back. It works now, retrospectively, because the payoff went the way it did. But it wasn't the moment that made Daniel Bryan, as he'd been a main event player since even before Summerslam based on his sheer talent alone.

    Shane McLean had the moment. He won the World Championship against a six man field. He's a main eventer now. Whether he stays there is incumbent on his talent and how he roleplays. He's always going to be a World Champion. Beating him is going to mean inherently more because you are beating a current or former World Champion. This isn't the WWE. Shane McLean isn't going to lose momentum because of horrendous booking, or because the belt needs to be transitioned to a bigger house show draw, or giving him the belt was an experiment that failed because tertiary titles have become completely meaningless, or because he popped positive on a wellness violation. He'll gain or lose momentum based on his productivity and the quality of that productivity. Ebb and flow. That kinda shit. This is still a competitive game in a highly driven competitive environment, and applying the lessons of what someone like WWE does to it makes little sense for a myriad of reasons. You have a talent pool that is in a constant state of flux; someone might get sick, someone might move, someone might be going to school, someone might just retire because they don't have the fire anymore. Your matches aren't predetermined, they are won and lost on the merit of your roleplays for that show. It makes single matches on weekly cards more prestigious, as an established talent like Gabrielle can lose to an up and comer like Wake Walker, and it actually means something.

    But the major reason it doesn't work is because the apples to apples comparison of a WWE storyline like Daniel Bryan becoming an established main event talent doesn't work the same in e-wrestling. Are you, Gabrielle, Ryan Hall, and Chris Kennedy all going to lay down for Shane McLean because the company is telling you to because it makes the most sense for the story at hand, or is such a thing going to be done competitively? The goals and the methods of arriving at said goals in storytelling are different in WWE and eW. If Triple H beats Daniel Bryan, the story they tell goes over like a fart in church, the catharsis isn't there, and the moment in time is lost. But in eW? The goal is different because it's a competitive match. You tell a different story, with a conclusion that can be varied and layered.

    That isn't to say there aren't talents who are better than the World Champion, or any of that. In PTC, we'd have a major, cross federation tournament called GTT that was extremely prestigious, and winning that made you perhaps bigger than anyone in the entire interfed, and carried that distinction to the point where beating a former GTT Champion was considered monumental because of how rare it was. There were handlers who had been multiple time World Champions where that happened, where they'd work a feud with someone who was coming up, or had reached stature, or for whatever reason, and they'd just bang stuff out, tell great stories, and compete. But all that came with a constant flux of who the major players were, because people were coming in and going out and all that. Same with the angle feds, be it fWo or tSC or any of that. It just made for a more competitive environment and culture, which is what I imagine the mods here are actually striving toward, instead of procuring stamps of subjective approval.

    Maybe it's because there were a constant flux of handlers, or because the demands on people's time to be a top level handler in those circles became far too great. I dunno. Not saying every person who signs up comes with a promising future, as most flame out, suck, or whatever. I just know that my reaction, if I was McLean's handler, would be to say "whatever" because I'm the World Champion, and that anything having to do with preconceived status doesn't mean much because, well, World Champion.

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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    Can I just say that I personally find it refreshing to have an outside opinion talking about how they see the FWA? It's giving me a lot of perspective quite honestly.



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    Re: THE FWA Debate Thread - Trending Topic: Titles

    LOL based on this guys knowledge of FWA and the fact that he has only logged in like 5 times and has viewed no FWA threads....

    ...you can't tell me this isn't somebodies duplicate account.



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