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    Patrick Stump quitting music?

    Former Fall Out Boy head honcho Patrick Stump posted a blog the other day about how he's been depressed lately and how he's considering quitting the music business. He talks about how huge the negative backlash to the last Fall Out Boy album was and his singles career. Apparently fans were sending him death threats, chanting **** at him at gigs and even buying tickets just to turn up and boo him. It's really quite a sad and depressing read. I didn't listen to Folie A Duex, but the singles seemed fine to me and I can't imagine it being that bad or much of a departure from their previous work. Either way, it's sad to see him potentially quit as I thought he was a good songwriter and he certainly had a good voice. These so-called "fans" sound like a bunch of faggots and should be ashamed of themselves.

    Here is the blog: Patrick Stump — WE LIKED YOU BETTER FAT: CONFESSIONS OF A PARIAH

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    Re: Patrick Stump quitting music?

    "Folie A Deux" was disappointing and a step backwards from "Infinity on High", but he doesn't deserve the abuse he gets and it's ****ing stupid people buy tickets just to heckle the guy. It'd be a shame for him to quit the industry cause he's a really talented artist.



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    Re: Patrick Stump quitting music?

    it's funny because their last album was actually my favorite album. i don't think it's better or anything but when i wanna listen to fall out boy that's the cd i choose.

    i haven't followed him since the fall out boy days but still sad to hear. he never got the attention he deserved. probably the only band i can recall where the bass player is the most famous person in the group. half the people i talk to think Pete Wentz was the lead singer.



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    Re: Patrick Stump quitting music?

    Really liked the last FOB album so **** whoever hates.

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    Re: Patrick Stump quitting music?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    probably the only band i can recall where the bass player is the most famous person in the group. half the people i talk to think Pete Wentz was the lead singer.
    Wentz wrote all the songs if I remember rightly... That's why he gets all the attention.

    In my opinion the three previous albums were all better than the last one, but "I Don't Care" is one of my favourite Fall Out Boy songs, and "Folie..." wasn't all that different, just not as much quality as they'd previously delivered.

    The idea that, in this economy, people are paying money just to boo him is kinda extreme, but Fall Out Boy always sucked live and his vocals in particular always benefitted from Pro-Tools in the studio. He simply can't sing live the way he does on the record.

    Still... No one deserves to villified in that manner. Just stop buying the music, merchandise and tickets to the shows and eventually he'll go away. Or get better at it.

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    Re: Patrick Stump quitting music?

    There's been a lot of discussion 'net-wide about this particular issue and Brendan Kelly of The Lawrence Arms, wrote the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by BadSandwichChronicles.net
    An Open Letter to Pat Stump
    Posted on March 2, 2012 by Brendan Kelly


    I feel bad for Pat Stump and I feel bad for him in myriad ways that canít be easily summed up. A quick background for those of you who are stupid or old: Pat Stump is/was the singer of the uber successful pop-punk band Fall Out Boy. However, heís not the guy you think of when you think of Fall Out Boy. That guy is Pete Wentz, who is the bassist, lyricist and unofficial face of the band and was briefly Mr. Ashlee Simpson (side note: AshlEE? Nice spelling, hicks). Though Pete was always quick to point out in interviews that Pat Stump was a Ďgenius of pop songcraft,í he never really got much credit in the band that he sang for. And when the world soured on Fall Out Boy, after the release of their album [something French that Iím not gonna look up] the two guys in the back (the guitarist and the drummer) regrouped semi-anonymously (and made a surprisingly decent song with the dude from Anthrax and the singer of ETID), Pete continued on his track of being a tabloid star whoís famous for being famous and Pat Stump lost a bunch of weight, got some hairplugs and put out a record called Soul Punk, which (and Iím guessing a bit here) was not well received.


    Itís easy to malign Pat Stump. Lord knows I have, on more than one occasion referred to him as Ďthe Pillsbury Doughboy if he shopped at hot topic and wore ridiculous hats.í And thatís fine. Thatís what happens when youíre famous. Dumb ****heads who have it vastly worse than you, who are uglier than you, who are stupider than you, who have no business making fun of anyone at all, make fun of you loudly and often. I donít think that Pat is unaware of this universal truth. In fact, I know heís not, because yesterday(?) he published this little piece about why heís been super bummed out lately. I read it and it made me sad.


    Right away, Iíll tell you that Patís piece is refreshingly sincere and unguarded while still being self-aware enough to realize that heís gonna get even more **** for daring to express dissatisfaction with what many consider to be an ideal life. Again, thatís how it is. Iíve said it before and Iíll say it again, if you donít want people being as cruel as they can possibly be to you, mercilessly mocking your looks, your abilities, your dreams, your ideas, your kids, wishing death and worse upon you and your loved ones (and this is if youíre a guy. If youíre a female, god help you. There is no persona that needs to be more bulletproof than a famous female), then you should never, ever attempt to publically express yourself, creatively or otherwise. This is the way the world is, and more to the point, this is the way human beings are. Humans can be nice in close quarters, but consider the fact that even your sweet grandmother has celebrities that she doesnít like for reasons that she SHOULD be smart enough to understand are frivolous. She doesnít know the Kardashians. She knows that the show is at least somewhat scripted and sensationalized. She respects the old timey values of maximizing every advantage that comes your way. Sheís never met Kim, but she still just doesnít like her. And thatís your nice grandma who even likes your ****head friends that even your other ****head friends canít stand. Imagine how crappy the kneejerk reactions of your ****head friends are when they see Pat Stump up there, being rich and famous for doing things that they feel that they do better, completely stinking up the place with his bull****. Theyíre ALREADY mean ****heads. Completely remove the humanity of actual interpersonal interaction and theyíre talking about pissing on his dead momís grave and punching his ugly girlfriend in the stomach so she doesnít give birth to his retarded baby (I have no idea if Pat Stump has a dead mom or a girlfriend. Iím merely illustrating the cruelty spree that is celebrity **** talking) before the chorus of Dance Dance even kicks in.


    And nobody hates you more than someone who loves you. Listen to Yankees fans talk about the Yankees. Listen to linguists discuss modern vernacular. Listen to your mom talk about your hair. Think about how ****ing infuriating it is when your best friend slurps their coffee or mispronounces that one word that he always does or whatever and youíll realize this is true.


    By that logic, Pat Stump, no one hates your music more than people who love your music. And you have realized this ****ty paradox and itís broken you for the moment. But you need not feel broken. Hereís why:


    Firstly, you are the one thatís in charge, whether it seems like it or not. Hereís what I mean: everyone is an armchair quarterback. Everyone who likes something thinks they know exactly how to make it better or to keep it successful in the face of perceived mismanagement. This is a universal human trait (this is even MORE universal than the notion of people being cruel to public figures, in fact) and it manifests in sports, politics, writing, television and music. But those people (us, because all of us do this), about 99.9999999 percent of the time have NO ****ING IDEA WHAT THEYíRE TALKING ABOUT. People donít respond well to change. Thatís why, to be successful, you need to not only embrace, but initiate change constantly. Itís the single most important ingredient to success. People have all sorts of fancy words for this, like being Ďvisionaryí or Ďout thereí or Ďfearlessí but these are all just euphemisms for being able to anticipate, precipitate and weather the storm of change. Thatís all vision is. Ever.


    If everyone really knew what Bill Belichick should do, or how Bob Dylan should style his career or what kinds of novels Vonnegut should stick to writing, theyíd be able to do the things that these hyper-successful individuals with long, successful careers have done. The people arenít right. They have no ****ing idea what theyíre talking about. Anyone whoís truly successful has become successful and maintained their success precisely BECAUSE theyíve confounded people at large over and over again. Thatís THE WHOLE THING. If you never buck expectations youíre John Irving, and eventually your fans turn on you and say ďthat dude never tried anything different over the course of his career. Yawn.Ē


    Iím not saying that there arenít missteps along the way, but to doubt your own taste, the taste and ability to envision change and weather the inevitable storm that comes with any change, the taste that got you here in the first place, is the kiss of death, because in order to be able to stay relevant, you need to change. And in order to keep changing, you need to be confident. Everyone puts out a dud of a record or has a bad season or accidentally ****s during a big double anal scene, but if you donít fail, youíre not trying very hard. The key is to weather the storm and trust that people around you will some day catch up, and if they never do, well, **** em. Youíre already on to the next thing anyway, Pat Stump. Do you see what Iím saying?


    You put out a record and no one liked it. That stinks. Then, you went solo, got your appearance in order and came out with a new record and no one liked the record and no one liked the fact that youíd cleaned up your act either. Yeah. That happens. Nobody likes to see someone else improve themselves, especially when itís in matters of concretely fixable cosmetic things like hair and weight. No one wants to be fat and bald and when people see someone else taking steps to improve themselves, the kneejerk reaction is to call that person insecure, or to otherwise pooh pooh the results. The truth is, it takes a lot of balls to be the fat guy in the gym. It takes a lot of balls to lay your insecurities bare and face them head on. So **** those people who said you looked better fat. Thatís one of the most transparently wimpy things someone can say to make themselves feel better about not improving themselves. Youíve gotta get a nutsack on you, Pat Stump. Which brings me to my next point:


    You made a couple of albums people didnít like. Boo ****ing hoo. Even Willie Nelson has piles and piles of records that are completely dull and forgettable (in fact, I have a pile or two of completely forgettable Willie Nelson albums in my house). If you completely flip out every time you do something that isnít the next Sugar, Weíre goin Down, well, youíre in for a sad life full of disappointments. Youíre only 27. Youíre not dead, or even thirty, for ****s sake. This is a remarkably cruel business (you know this vastly better than I do) but itís pretty ****ing easy to ignore. So you ****ed up. Good. That means you tried something. So people donít like you skinny. **** them. That means theyíre dildos. And theyíre probably fat dildos.


    The one thing that I, speaking as a spokesman for the entire rest of the world who isnít you, will not tolerate in our celebrities, Pat Stump, is a lack of confidence. Itís the kiss of death. Desperation is the Corey Feldmanian stench that accompanies a sapping of confidence. And thatís when **** starts getting gross. Your open letter/essay deal was actually, (as I stated way back at the beginning of this) a remarkably frank and brave way to grapple with your (sorry to use this word like this) Ďfeelingsí but it treads dangerously close to being the death rattle of bravery.


    Sure, you can crap out now and say things like ďwell, I guess I wonít perform anymore because none of you want to see itĒ which may be true and may be what makes you happiest, but do you see why itís also kind of pathetic?


    Youíre better than that, Pat Stump. You got your **** together and did something brave after you put out some record that people hated and apparently booed. You made a weird record that threw everyone for a curve. Thatís ballsy. Now youíre sad because your weird album and transformation took people by surprise? What the **** did you think would happen? Sounds like youíre giving up at the exactly wrong time. Youíve confounded everyone. Nowhere to go but wherever you want, man.


    Call me. Weíll rap about this more in person.

    Woot.
    It's long and winding, but I think the guy makes some great points, and considering The Lawrence Arms and Fall Out Boy are quite different bands, with quite different outlooks on music and life in general, it's incredibly supportive.

    I expect a few tl;dr responses, but I'd suggest taking the time, cos honestly it's worth paying attention to whether you're Patrick Stump or not.

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