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    Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    Robert Griffin III ; Baylor University ; 6ft2 ; 220lbs

    RG3 won the 2011 Heisman Trophy. There should be almost no need to elaborate on the greatness of this 2012 NFL Draft prospect, but just in case you need further confirmation of his excellence, how about his stats? As a Bear this past year he completed over 70% of his pass attempts, came close to skimming the 4,000 yard passing mark, held an NCAA Quarterback Rating of 192.3 and his ratio of TDs to INTs was 36 to 6, meaning that he threw just 1 interception per every 6 touchdowns! In his entire career at the Texas-based University he completed 66% of all the passes he threw and totaled 77 touchdowns in four years, basially three considering that he had two incomplete seasons as a Bear. He ran for 32 TDs (more than rookie of the year Cam Newton's 24) in his college career while maintaining a successful career in college track.

    He's got AP Player of the Year honor to his name, as well as a previously mentioned Heisman trophy with the added prestige of dozens of runner-up prizes and school records, there's a reason RG3 is a top QB prospect heading into this year's draft, especially with several early-round teams in dire need of a new QB. The only man that may stand in his way, preventing him being the first QB drafted this year, is the rocket arm from Stanford, Andrew Luck.


    Andrew Luck ; Stanford University ; 6ft4 ; 245lbs

    Yes sir, he won the Maxwell Award as well as the Walter Camp Award in 2011. While both are seen as a less prestigious and less accurate representation of the best NCAA player than the Heisman trophy, won by RG3, these accomplishments are nothing to overlook. Especially when you take into account that he is a two-time, two-time Heisman runner-up in 2010 and 2011. The man could have gone into the draft last year and may have been drafted higher than Cam Newton for all we know, but he stayed and has only built on his resume this year, tossing the pigskin 3,500 yards down the field for 37 TDs, edging RG3 in that particular category. He too possesed a completion percentage that eclipsed 70%, and did so with more passing attempts than RG3. In some categories, he exceeds Griffin, in others he falls short. One thing RG3 really can't touch is Luck's 82 passing TDs in 3 years. RG3 had at least half a season more than Luck in total playing time and still fell short 5 TDs. Luck isn't the half the runner that RG3 is, but that hasn't stopped his success.

    With honors like the Johnny U Golden Arm Award on top of his Maxwell and Walter Camp award, his success mirrors that of Griffin's. The two play very different ball in many cases, but they both do one thing right. They succeed at the game of of football!



    I know it's been asked before, but I wasn't around to see the results, so I then beg the question, if you were The Colts, or The Vikings, or whoever makes the decision to draft the first QB, which one of the two shining stars do you pick up? Do you take the speed and dual-threat capabilites of Robert Griffin III, or do you take the focus and pocket presence of Andrew Luck? The Heisman winner or The Maxwell winner? And you can't say neither, that's a cop out!

    I find that the interesting thing about the situation is that neither are national champions. It adds more interest to the battle. Had Stanfor or Baylor actually won a national champion, it would make the decision easier but since they were both national title-less, it keeps them at odds, and has sent NFL Network and ESPN into a frezy! It's an interesting battle, one of the best rookie QB conflicts since Manning/Rivers, and I personally, would choose....

    .... Andrew Luck. Why? Because not only was he robbed of a Heisman trophy this past year, he may have been robbed the year before. RG3 is a hell of a player, and I can't say I don't think his name will be remembered long after he retires, but Luck has that Manning swag about him. And even though we've seen dudes like Tim Tebow and Cam Newton come in and revolutionize the quarterback system to make it more scramble-friendly, I'm not buying into the hype. I'll put money on a pocket passer any day of the week. There's a reason that people talked about Favre, are talking about Rodgers, and will be talking about Stafford. Cause these boys can throw the football. They come to work and they do their job. It may not always be the flashiest thing but the Quarterback's job in the NFL is to throw the ball down the field. Not run it.

    I respect what Tebow and Newton and even Griffin do, but who believes that Donovan McNabb is better than Tom Brady? Not a single damn person. And although they're picking up steam with their running abilities and 'unpredictableness', outside linebackers will start to pick up on that. They'll become more attentive. They'll keep their eyes on them and they'll start shutting them down. And regardless, these two men are playing for mediocre teams, in mostly mediocre divisions. Tebow came into a losing team, ready to do whatever it took to win, and had success for several reasons. Because he was unrestricted. There was no time to think about things, they needed to get out and do stuff. And also because the Chiefs' defense is awful, the Raiders' defense is poor, and The Chargers' defense is dwindling.

    He went unopposed and having him run it was convenient for the Broncos because they didn't have much else of a choice. The same goes for the Panthers. They have had a disappointing series of seasons and quarterbacks, they had to let Cam do what he does against the generally weak defenses of the Saints, Falcons, and Bucs. Who was going to stop him? No one. But even though each man was successful, their team wasn't necessarily successful. Tebow had a starting record of 7-4... that's good but he didn't lead him to a winning record. They broke even at 8-8 and tied with two very poor teams in the Chiefs and Chargers. Hardly a success in my opinion. They got into the playoffs based off of 60% luck.

    Then there's the Panthers. Cam Newton may have ended the season with an AP Offensive Rookie of the Year award, but his team ended the season with a record of 6-10, ranked third in the NFC South, ending almost as bad as The Bucaneers!.... The Bucaneers! Being a scrambling Quarterback just seems selfish when you look at these stats. Your running backs, who make money off of running the ball, get less snaps and begin to be overshadowed by you. Then your recievers get less catches, also. And though your stock rises, somehow the team itself seems to suffer. Not to mention, the lifespan of an NFL QB's career seems shorter when they like to run.

    Look at Kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, and Daunte Culpepper. Vick is still in the mix but he's far from his prime. He's fallen off the wagon and become obsolete. Drew Brees was drafted the same year. The difference between the two is that Brees likes to pass, Vick likes to run. The other difference is that Brees is still breaking records, and Vick is on his last legs. And yet another difference is that Brees has several winning seasons.. and a Super Bowl ring. Vick has had a couple of seasons over 50%..

    And I know situations are different from player to player, and RG3 won't mirror McNabb, and Luck won't mirror Brady, but if we're looking at tendencies and situations throughout history, this is just the way it is.

    So, I'm going to go with the safe bet. The guy who gives me more opportunities as success as a unit, and the guy who will stick around for a much longer time because he doesn't put his body on the line, doing a job that half backs are meant to do. Luck will stick in that pocket until there's no other alternative and he'll make those around him look good, as long as they can support him, and allow him to do his best. Coming out, RG3 might be the rookie sensation, but five years in, I'm betting that Luck is the one being considered for MVP honors, and playing in Pro Bowls, while Griffin is still trying to highlight his way to fame. I'm not saying RG3 will have a bad career by any stretch, I think he'll do awesome on the right team, I'm just saying Andrew Luck is more likely to enjoy success over a long period of time, and enjoy higher passing stats, and probably, better records for his team. Luck is a textbook example of a threat at the QB position. RG3 will keep the defenses guessing, but coordinators in this league are smart enough to pick up on running tendencies. That's the whole reason the league is becoming a passing league. Runs become predictable and start to get shut down. Passes can go anywhere, at any time. They can be high, low, slow, fast, over the top, or threading the needle.

    I just hope and pray that we don't get a repeat of the Vince Young/Matt Leinhart class...

    Sorry to be so longwinded, but I needed to try to get my point across the best I could. So, now it's your turn to sound off on who you would draft, idealistically, if you had to start a rookie QB.


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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    My team can get either on of them if they want, I'd be happy with one tbh.

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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    It's Luck...

    Forget about awards because that means absolutely nothing, forget about school success because that also means nothing.

    Luck called his own plays, audibled at the line, set the protection and played in an offence that required more than one read...

    I like RG3 but he was a very raw passer coming into college and still is, he played a one read offence, where if the first receiver isn't there he'd take off and run. He has a Newton/McNabb like quality to him but like you said you take Manning over McNabb...



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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suffy View Post
    It's Luck...

    Forget about awards because that means absolutely nothing, forget about school success because that also means nothing.

    Luck called his own plays, audibled at the line, set the protection and played in an offence that required more than one read...

    I like RG3 but he was a very raw passer coming into college and still is, he played a one read offence, where if the first receiver isn't there he'd take off and run. He has a Newton/McNabb like quality to him but like you said you take Manning over McNabb...
    Not only that, but Stanford played a pro style offense. You definitely pick Luck.

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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    Personally I would say RG3. I'm probably in the less popular pick here and sure Luck may be better in the end. However with the success Newton had his rookie season it does in a way make you feel more comfortable getting RG3.

    I'm still not certain on whether or not Indy will get Luck (Possibly) and if he will become the new QB or work behind Manning for a while if he does go to the Colts. You also mentioned about the Vikings drafting, but I doubt they would draft another QB with Ponder there. Hopefully my Redskins can get RG3, but I dunno.

    I also think that Luck will probably get drafted before RG3.

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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    What would make you think that RG3 is better?

    You cannot just come in and say something like that without backing it up. Saying that one running QB did well is not a reason...

    Last year RG3 took 90% of his snaps from shotgun, has very little experience playing under center, in a conference that is not known for its defences... like you gotta give something back to counter these points...



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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    I'm not too huge of a stat buff so its more of a personal opinion/pick deal like I said. I also did say I still suspect Luck will be taken before RG3 and to add might have more success.

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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    It's Andrew Luck, there's no other correct answer. The fact that this is even a debate is laughable. Looking at straight facts here

    Andrew Luck has played in a pro-style offense, played under two head coaches with not only NFL ties, but NFL success. Threw patterns that are key in an NFL QBs repertoire, and ultimately was a stable and effective leader for Stanford.

    Robert Griffin is an enigma, and I will concede he has more upside than Luck if only for his potential in the running game, however he played in a Spread offense tuned to his abilities, while throwing the most basic of routes. Also the Big XII is known for it's lackadaisical defense, while the Pac12 is not. He has the tools to be an effective NFL QB, don't get me wrong, but it's not even close when compared with Luck.

    Also, just for your argument, here's some more facts for you.

    1990-2005 QB Heisman winners:
    Ty Detmer, BYU
    Gino Toretta, Miami(FL)
    Charlie Ward, FSU
    Danny Wuerffel, Florida
    Chris Weinke, FSU
    Eric Crouch, Nebraska
    Carson Palmer, USC
    Jason White, OKlahoma
    Matt Leinart, USC
    Troy Smith, Ohio State

    Not exactly a who's who of NFL success stories at QB, the Heisman goes to the best college player, not the best pro-prospect(Something many people seem to forget), To draft RGIII over Luck because he won a Heisman is probably one of the stupidest things you can do.

    Also, National Champion QBs from 1990-Present
    Shawn Jones, GT/Charles Johnson, Colorado
    Gino Toretta, Miami(FL)/Billy Joe Hobert, Washington
    Jay Barker, Alabama
    Charlie Ward, FSU
    Tommie Frazier, Nebraska
    Tommie Frazier, Nebraska
    Danny Wuerffel, Florida
    Brian Griese, Michigan/Scott Frost, Nebraska
    Tee Martin, Tennessee
    Chris Weinke, Florida State
    Josh Heupel, Oklahoma
    Ken Dorsey, Miami(FL)
    Craig Krenzel, Ohio State
    Matt Mauck, LSU
    Matt Leinart, USC
    Vince Young, Texas
    Chre Leak, Florida
    Matt Flynn, LSU
    Tim Tebow, Florida
    Greg McElroy, Alabama
    Cam Newton, Auburn
    AJ McCarron, Alabama

    So once again, I wouldn't say either of those things makes anyone a good QB, especially in the NFL.


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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    Yeah, I don't honestly see a lot of arguments for RG3 ahead of Luck. It really starts to feel like a case of them talking down one prospect (find weaknesses) and talking up another (finding new "strenghts"). Luck is a nearly perfectly QB prospect. That does not he's a "sure thing" but it makes him the smarter pick.

    I do find it amusing when people bring up Cam Newton's success as some kind of justification for the RG3. Really? As if one player succeeding in a manner far beyond expectations and the norm should suddenly become the expectation.Its like people bringing up Jerry Rice every time they talk about a WR prospect who has just average speed... Besides, Peyton Manning was pretty outstanding for a rookie QB, so if one is going to use Newton as a point of comparison for RG3, shouldn't the same be done for Luck with Manning? But that's kind of silly, because every prospect and every situation is unique.


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    The white guy always gets taken first.

    From everything I have read it sounds like both guys will be absolute studs.

    But in all seriousness I take the more pocket presence saavy QB. Legs only last so long in the NFL.

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    Re: Robert Griffin III vs. Andrew Luck... Who Do You Draft?

    Well given the recent circumstances, it would be hard to see RG3 getting drafted before Luck in any situation. The Colts have had a pocket passer for the last decade and a half and since they need a new one, they'll be going with the top guy for the job, Andrew Luck. He might just be the next Peyton Manning. Or at least the next Aaron Rodgers.


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