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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Yeah, but I was commenting on the deadly combination that it presents. 'And indeed, that and staying on the feet too long against a seasoned striker, excluding the clinch.

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Lesnar is a wrestler and a damn good one, I think that staying on his feet is the last thing he wants to do when he's in there. The only time I see him doing so is if all else fails, which after what he have covered isn't going to happen often.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmac View Post
    Lesnar is a wrestler and a damn good one, I think that staying on his feet is the last thing he wants to do when he's in there. The only time I see him doing so is if all else fails, which after what he have covered isn't going to happen often.
    Lesnar would hardly be the first wrestler to get caught up in the "thrill of stand-up" and get away from his bread and butter. Rashad Evans and Josh Koschak are just a couple who seem to think they are strikers more than wrestlers, and it has cost them both (I personally think Evans would've had a much better chance against Machida if he tried to wrestle him).
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    To be fair, Evans was punching and kicking peoples heads off heading into the Machida fight. 'But yeah he should of tried to take him down. Koscheck on the other hand lost a stand up fight against a BJJ black belt.

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Kos has demonstrated he is good at stand up and Evans knocked out Liddell...

    Sherk would be the example.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Knocking out Liddell isn't anything special anymore, tbh.

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Yes it is, he's a legend in the game and just because he had recently lost twice before beating Wandi, he is still dangerous.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmac View Post
    Kos has demonstrated he is good at stand up and Evans knocked out Liddell...

    Sherk would be the example.
    But Sherk also won a fight with his stand up, the great fight against Tyson Griffin. It not that these are not good at stand-up... They are. But its not their primary asset as a fighter.

    Koshack, for example, is a good striker. But he is a very very good wrestler. So by not using that at all, he's refusing to use his greatest skill. Its kind of like a great BJJ fighter refusing to attempt submissions... I understand the appeal of the stand up for a fighter, but you can't leave off your strength...
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback Discussion

    I wouldn't say Kos is a great striker.

    He got absolutely owned by Alves, got caught by Thiago and he just throws that overhand over and over again and it caught Yoshida.

    Even if his fight against Diego he looked terrible with his stand up and Diego had a staph infection.

    Kos is an average striker that just throws power shots hoping ot catch you.



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    UFC 99: The Comeback results

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    UFC 99: The Comeback results

    JOHN HATHAWAY VS. RICK STORY

    The evening's opening contest started out with a moderate pace, with neither fighter able to capitalize on advantageous positions on the mat in the opening frame. Hathaway tried to wrench a kimura into place as time expired in the first round, but the bell sounded before he could finish the hold. The second round saw the pair spend more time exchanging on their feet, though neither fighter was able to impart much damage on their foe. Once on the ground, Story briefly attempted a guillotine choke from bottom position, then released the hold and earned the round with blows from the top. The third round saw the pair return to the floor, and after Story worked for a kimura, Hathaway answered with a triangle choke and arm bar attempt. Neither scored, but the pressure was enough to earn Hathaway the round and the bout. John Hathaway def. Rick Story via unanimous decision.

    DENIS STOJNIC VS. STEFAN STRUVE

    Stojnic opened the bout by overpowering his taller opponent, forcing him to the floor and opening up with a ground-and-pound assault. Struve looked to work for a submission from the bottom, but the attack continued from the top, opening up a gash on his face. The cut wasn't enough to halt the bout, but Stojnic earned the round with the blows. The second saw Struve transition to Stojnic's back as the two tried to establish position. While bleeding profusely, Struve locked in a body triangle and a fight-ending rear-naked choke. Stefan Struve def. Denis Stojnic via submission (rear-naked choke) - Round 2, 2:37.

    ROLI DELGADO VS. PAUL KELLY

    In a bout that certainly developed a little more flavor after Friday's weigh-in shoving match, Delgado opened as the aggressor in the opening frame, but was quickly forced to work defensively as Kelly scored top position. The second round was more clearly in Kelly's favor, as Delgado was forced to defend both a guillotine choke and a variety of blows from top position. Delgado briefly took Kelly's back at one point and looked to secure a leg at another, but the round fell clearly into Kelly's pocket. The third saw more of the same from Kelly, and Delgado's bid to pull the upset fell short. Paul Kelly def. Roli Delgado via unanimous decision

    PETER SOBOTTA VS. PAUL TAYLOR

    Despite entering the contest as a highly-touted prospect and fighting in front of his native country, Sobotta was unable to stop the "Relentless" attack of Taylor. While the Brit had gone just 1-3 in his past four UFC contests, Taylor had enough in the tank tonight to outlast his UFC-newcomer foe and earn the unanimous decision win. Paul Taylor def. Peter Sobotta via unanimous decision

    DALE HARTT VS. DENIS SIVER

    Whether Siver's time training in Hartt's normal home camp at Xtreme Couture proved to be the difference or not may never be known, but the German native was able to turn in an impressive performance in front of his native crowd. Siver's win streak is now at three fights, including one bout outside of the organization. Denis Siver def. Dale Hartt via submission (rear-naked choke) - Round 1

    JUSTIN BUCHHOLZ VS. TERRY ETIM

    In a bout described as an early candidate for "Fight of the Night," Etim and Buchholz went back-and-forth until the Englishman scored the impressive submission in the second round. The win represented Etim's third-straight in the organization. Terry Etim def. Justin Buchholz via submission (D'arce choke) - Round 2

    MARCUS DAVIS VS. DAN HARDY

    Round 1 - No touch of gloves from the rivals. Davis opens with a kick that misses as the crowd chants for Hardy. Davis holds the center of the cage, then looks for a takedown behind a left hand. Hardy sprawls, and Davis looks for a trip as Hardy's back is against the cage. Davis throws a few left hands in the clinch and eventually uses double underhooks to earn the trip. Two minutes in and Davis is in mount. Hardy eats a few punches then regains guard. Hardy tries a high guard then rolls. Davis moves to Hardy's back, though he is still without the hooks in. Davis switches to the side and delivers 10 to 15 short right hands. Hardy transitions and moves back to his feet. Hardy lands a crisp right hook and Davis wobbles a bit. Davis clinches with his back against the cage. There's a quick takedown by Davis, but they quickly go back to the feet. Davis is a bit rocked heading back to the corner, but he appears to have won the round 10-9.

    Round 2 - Davis opens with a body kick that misses, Hardy answers with a high kick of his own. Both trade low kicks to the inside leg. Davis leads in with a left hand. Davis scores again with the left, then another. Hardy counters, and the two trade blows. Hardy grabs the Thai clinch and drops Davis with a knee. Hardy charges in to finish, but Davis regains his composure and pulls guard. Davis active on the bottom, looking for submission option. Davis throws up both legs, securing Hardy's right arm. Hardy in trouble, but he yanks the arm free. Davis still active on bottom, Hardy throws an elbow. Hardy tries to stand up, and Davis looks for a leg. Nothing there, and Hardy drops back into Davis' guard. The action has stalled, and referee Marc Goddard calls for the stand-up. Davis clinches on the restart, then backs away when Hardy scores a knee. Hardy jabs, and Davis lands with a left hand counter. Davis scores a takedown as time winds down. Davis slides to side control and lands a few punches from top as the horn sounds. Close round, but Hardy edges it out on the MMAjunkie.com cards, 10-9.

    Round 3 - Hardy drops early and pulls guard. Davis lands a short elbow. Davis moves to half-guard, then drops for an ankle lock. Davis switches to a heel hook, but Hardy spins out and returns to his feet. Davis holds the clinch, but Hardy spins out and earns the takedown. Hardy lands a right elbow strike while Davis holds guard. Hardy bleeding heavily, and Goddard wants to check the cut. Davis staggers as he rises, but the cut is on the nose and the bout continues. Hardy resets in Davis' guard. The blood is flowing profusely with one minute remaining, and Goddard calls for a reset on the feet. Davis wipes his eyes and Hardy lands a left. Both fighters tentative briefly, then Hardy throws a high kick. Davis charges in as time expires, but can't earn a takedown. Hardy earns the final round, 10-9, and the fight, 29-28, on MMAjunkie.com's card with the damage caused in the final frame. Dan Hardy def. Marcus Davis via split decision (29-28, 28-29, 29-28).

    SPENCER FISHER VS. CAOL UNO

    Round 1 - Both fighters trade jabs to open, and both bounce quickly on their feet. The two southpaws look for openings, and the crowd gets restless early. Uno shoots in, but Fisher sprawls and controls the action with a bodylock. Uno spins away and returns to the feet. Fisher pushes Uno against the cage, but Uno controls the arms. Fisher throws knees inside. Uno spins off the cage, but Fisher keeps his hips back and remains on his feet. The action stalls, and with two minutes remaining, referee Mario Yamasaki restarts the action. Still not much between the two, but Fisher scores with a leg kick. One minute remains, and Fisher scores with a right hand Uno answers, then tries to shoot. Fisher sprawls, and Uno clinches and briefly controls an arm. The crowd still continues to plead for a change of pace, and Fisher scores with a knee inside. Time expires, and MMAjunkie.com sees it for Fisher, 10-9.

    Round 2 - Fisher's corner tells him to ignore the boos between rounds. Fisher opens with a kick, but Uno ducks a punch and wrestles Fisher to the floor. Uno tries a guillotine as Fisher returns to his feet, but it's quickly escaped. Uno tries a front kick, then again shoots in quickly. Fisher sprawls, then backs quickly away. Fisher scores with a leg kick, and Uno answers with two of his own. Another shot by Uno, but Fisher sprawls. Uno rolls as Fisher mover in, and Fisher is forced to pull guard. Halfway through the round, and Fisher pushes Uno away and stands. Uno considers dropping to guard from the clinch, then baits Fisher to the floor. Fisher stands quickly and Uno lands some uppercuts inside. Fisher tries a toss, but Uno winds up on top. Uno tries to move to side control, but Fisher stands. Uno grabs a Thai clinch, then settles for an over-under. Uno drops to his back, pulling guard. Fisher has little to offer from the top as time expires. It's a close round, but MMAjunkie.com sees it for Uno on aggression and octagon control, 10-9.

    Round 3 - Uno shoots in quickly and is forced to clinch. The two push apart and Fisher lands a nice left hand, as well as a knee. Uno continues to push forward on takedowns. Uno smothering Fisher, who is on his kness and sitting against the cage. Fisher sees a brief opening and stands. Yamasaki calls for action, and Uno continues to scramble for a takedown while Fisher defends. Halfway through the final round, and the bout is restarted. Uno slips, then stands. Fisher scores a right hand, drop Uno and moves to side control. Uno won't stay there and stands. The two clinch and trade knees inside. Uno again drops for a takedown, and he eventually forces Fisher down and mounts him. Uno throws a few elbows from top, and a few hammerfists. Uno working hard to steal the fight at the end of the round. Uno finishes in mount. It's another close finish. While Fisher had the most damage leading into the final minute of the bout, MMAjunkie.com sees the final round for Uno, 10-9, and awards him the fight, 29-28. All three judges disagree. Spencer Fisher def. Caol Uno via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28).

    BEN SAUNDERS VS. MIKE SWICK

    Round 1 - Saunders immediately charges forward, clinches and pulls guard. Saunders keeps his arms locked and Swick pulled close, working butterfly guard underneath. Swick throws a few soft, short punches to the ribs and head. Swick wants a stand-up, as does the crowd. Saunders sits up and stays tight, but Swick is scoring shots inside. Swick pulls away and looks for a guillotine, but Saunders pulls out and returns to his defensive posture. Swick stands and nearly eats one upkick, but he pushes back down into the guard. The fight is finally restarted with less than two minutes remaining. Swick stalks and Saunders backs away. A few shots exchanged, and then the pair returns to the clinch. Saunders looks for a trip, but Swick keeps his balance. Saunders throws a knee inside and Swick spins away as time expires. MMAjunkie.com sees it for Swick, 10-9.

    Round 2 - Saunders opens with a high kick, then Swick clinches and throws a few knees. Swick earns a trip and moves quickly to mount. Saunders quickly scrambles and pulls back to guard. Saunders again keeps Swick close with his arms, looking to work butterfly guard returning to traditional guard. Saunders secures a body triangle from the bottom, and he continues to fight defensively from the bottom. Near the halfway mark, and another restart. Saunders tries to throw a high kick, but it's blocked. Swick scores with a combination, then another stiff series of blows. Swick opens up with a flurry of blows, and 16 shots are thrown, enough finding their mark – including a devastating right hand to the temple – to force the end of the contest. Mike Swick def. Ben Saunders via TKO (punches) - Round 2, 3:47.

    MOSTAPHA AL TURK VS. MIRKO "CRO COP" FILIPOVIC

    Round 1 - Al Turk starts with a right hand and then two leg kicks. Al Turk shoots in but Filipovic defends it well and pushes away. Another right hand and leg kick by Al Turk while Filipovic looks to back away and set up a big blow. Al Turk shoots in and Filipovic again defends. Al Turk continues as the aggressor while Filipovic looks for his opening. Al Turk remains active, circling away from the big left leg of Filipovic. Both exchange straight punches. Filipovic finally attacks, and a flurry of punches drop Al Turk. Filipovic follows to the floor and elects to back away and stand. Al Turk returns to his feet, and a right hand poke to the eye blinds Al Turk. Al Turk covers his face, but referee Dan Miragliotta doesn't see the shot. A series of punches just miss over Al Turk's head, but three direct strikes rock Al Turk and send him to the floor. Al Turk covers up as Filipovic lands another blow and earns the TKO win. It's an unfortunate end to the bout. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic def. Mostapha Al Turk via TKO (strikes) - Round 1, 3:06.

    CHEICK KONGO VS. CAIN VELASQUEZ

    Round 1 - Velasquez charges forward, but Kongo tags him with a stiff punch. Velasquez powers forward anyway and gets the takedown. Kongo scrambles back to his feet and winds up on top of Velasquez. Velasquez scrambles and reverses the position. Velasquez moves from side control to mount. Kongo rolls over and gives up the back. Velasquez locks in the rear-naked choke, but Kongo battles through it. Kongo rolls, gives up his back again, but stands up. Velasquez simply powers him right back down to the floor. Velasquez overwhelms Kongo on the floor. Kongo is being punished with ground-and-pound blows, and is given no room to breathe. Kongo turtles up, then rolls and is mounted. Kongo scrambles away, but the relentless attack by Velasquez continues. Kongo stands, gets slammed again, and mounted. Kongo gives up his back again with a minute remaining. Velasquez continues to smother Kongo until the final bell. It's a dominating round by Velasquez, save for the opening blow, and MMAjunkie.com sees it as 10-8 for Velasquez.

    Round 2 - Velasquez charges forward again. Kongo gets rocked briefly, but he answers again with a blow that rocks Velasquez. Kongo clinches, but his corner calls to move away. Kongo lands a knee, but Velasquez powers through again with a takedown. Kongo turtles up and Velasquez lands a few punches and knees from top position. Velasquez continues to smother Kongo as he turtles up on the bottom position. Kongo tries to stand, but Velasquez ties up his legs and drags him back to the floor. An exhausted Kongo stands again but is just as quickly back on butt in the center of the cage. Velasquez continues to throw punches to the floor, then drags Kongo across the canvas before dropping a knee to the body. Another knee scores, and Kongo is simply turtling up, offering nothing in return. Kongo rolls again, and Velasquez mounts. Kongo rolls again, but there is nothing offered in return. MMAjunkie.com sees it again for Velasquez, 10-9.

    Round 3 - Velasquez again charges forward. Kongo again tags him with a few punches, but Velasquez moves forward. Kongo sprawls, but neglects to back away and separate. Kongo again on his knees as Velasquez punishes him from punches. The blows have lost steam, but Kongo has no defense to the relentless attack. Kongo thinks about standing, but Velasquez drags his legs forward and halts any thought of that. Kongo not rocked from the blows, and he finally stands with two minutes remaining. There are a few knees inside from Kongo, and he lands a few punches that again find their mark. Velasquez looks a bit winded, but he simply powers Kongo to the floor again. Velasquez in side control as Kongo tries to survive underneath. Velasquez moves to mount. Kongo tries to roll, but there's an unending flurry of blows from Velasquez. Time winding down, and Kongo simply looks to survive. Referee Dan Miragliotta watches closely, but time expires before he elects to step in. Kongo has trouble returning to his feet. MMAjunkie.com sees the round, 10-9, for Velasquez, and the bout 30-26. Cain Velasquez def. Cheick Kongo via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).

    RICH FRANKLIN VS. WANDERLEI SILVA

    Round 1 - A touch of gloves gets us underway. Silva strikes an almost defensive posture. Franklin feigns, looking for openings. Franklin sneaks in a jab, and Silva just misses the counter. Franklin scores a straight left. Silva scores with a pair of leg kicks, then opens up with a big 1-2 that misses. Both fighters patient, but Franklin more active. Franklin scores with a kick to the body, and Silva flashes a counter-punch that misses. Silva grazes the head with a high kick, then follows to the body. Franklin throws a kick, but Silva catches it and tosses him to the floor. Franklin sets up with an open guard. Silva throws a few right hands on the ground. Silva continues to throw a few solid blows from top as Franklin looks to push him away. Franklin stands, and Silva tries a guillotine that quickly slides off. Silva has a small cut over his right eye, and Franklin moves to mount. Silva stands, but Franklin lands a few shots inside. Silva looks a bit tired and throws a few lazy punches as time expires. Close round, but MMAjunkie.com sees it for Franklin, 10-9.

    Round 2 - Silva breathing heavily, Franklin looks very calm. Silva again leaving his left leg out. Silva misses. The pair trades low kicks. Franklin nearly has another body kick caught, but he pulls the leg away. Franklin feints, and Silva still more tentative than previous bouts. A quick exchange in tight, but neither scores. Franklin works inside with a leg kick. Silva just misses with a strong right hand. Franklin looking comfortable in attack. Silva is dropped on a quick counter as he moves in, but Franklin allows him back up. Both fighters trade, but Franklin avoiding the blows well and countering. Silva lands a right hand, then slips as he tries to move forward. Franklin throws a jab and moves away. Silva throwing heavy shots in single efforts. Silva opens up a bit and wobbles Franklin briefly. One minute remains and Franklin is hurt. Silva attacks and lands a series of punches inside. Franklin pushes Silva away with under a minute remaining and he resets. Franklin slips on a high kick. With seconds remaining a final exchange and we head to the final frame. It's another close round after Silva hurt Franklin, but MMAjunkie.com sees it for "The Axe Murderer," 10-9.

    Round 3 - A show of respect for the final frame. Silva slow as the round starts, while Franklin looks fresh. Franklin continues to push forward and pick apart Silva with jabs. A straight left scores for Franklin. Franklin scores low inadvertently, but Silva restarts quickly. The pair begins to trade in close quarters, and Silva grabs the clinch, scores with a knee and calls for the crowd support. Silva's posture has changed and is now the aggressor. Silva stalking, but Franklin still scoring in patches. A kick to the body lands for Franklin. Franklin scores and slips. One minute remains and Silva attacks. Franklin gets the takedown that may seal the fight. Silva stands and eats a few punches from Franklin. Franklin clinches and Silva throws elbows to his back as Franklin answers with punches. It's a close round again, and a hell of a finish, but MMAjunkie.com sees it for Franklin, 10-9, earning him the fight, 29-28. Rich Franklin def. Wanderlei Silva via unanimous decision.
    There is no way that that was a Unanimous victory for Franklin, Split I could live with...
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    yeah i didn't think it was unanimous either, but at least it was a good fight

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    It was, it was a very entertaining fight, a fight in which Silva did enough to at least sway one judge and I can't beleive he didn't.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    I really really don't like the decision in the Franklin-Silva fight. I don't anything anyone I was watching it with thought it was possibly a unanimous decision. A split decision for Franklin would've felt wrong, but like Dmac, I could accept it. Unanimous makes me feeling ripped off.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmac View Post
    It was, it was a very entertaining fight, a fight in which Silva did enough to at least sway one judge and I can't beleive he didn't.
    The only one who was clearly hurt in the fight was Franklin. Both guys managed a bit of ground and pound. I just don't see how three guys overlook everything Silva did.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    Well Franklin took him down in round 3 but he was straight back up and overall in that round Silva did more damage.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    Yeah, I thought it should of been split. I thought at least one judge would give it to Wanderlei... and more damage Dan, but Franklin landed more.

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    Cain Velasquez pissed me off. He's a great wrestler but his gnp is straight garbage. I was praying for Kongo to get to his feet, Cain had no answers for his striking. Fuck all this hype. Cain ain't ready to step up another level..

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    Yeah because wrestlers who get caught in one way or another have never won the UFC Heavyweight title.
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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    His GnP has little power but he threw Kongo around like a rag doll.

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    Re: UFC 99: The Comeback results

    People seriously need to stop hating on Velasquez. Everyone needs to remember that he is still very much a work in progress. This was his sixth professional bout, and he had no amateur bouts. To take out a guy with twenty professional MMA bouts like Kongo is very impressive.

    Not only does Kongo have over twenty professional MMA bouts, but he also has over twenty professional kickboxing bouts, and he's one of the best strikers in MMA's heavyweight division. Of course Velasquez's striking wasn't going to be able to touch Kongo's.

    Is Velasquez ready to challenge the winner of Mir/Lesnar? Absolutely not.

    Is Velasquez a young prospect with phenomenal wrestling, great conditioning, improving striking, a great heart, and a desire to win? Yes.

    By the way, http://wrestlingclique.com/mma-mixed...out-kongo.html.

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